One question for Mr. Key about the ionization of silver particles:
I can accept that there is no known mechanism for silver particles to
be converted to ions in vivo. However, if I understand the use of
Silverlon bandages, particulate silver is converted to silver ions on
the surface of the skin, simply by soaking the bandages in water.
Some interaction between water, the particle-impregnated bandages, and
the skin, apparently produces ions; if memory serves me, the web site
for the Silverlon products claims that silver ions are the cause of the
therapeutic benefits.
If the above summary is correct, then I wonder whether somehow, in
vivo, a similar process might not be happening. Obviously, water in
the body is all mixed up with everything else; I am not overlooking
this! But not being a chemist, I ask those who might know: could not
H20 in vivo produce ions in a manner similar to that summarized above?
Comments welcome.
JBB
On Friday, Mar 19, 2004, at 00:29 Asia/Tokyo, Frank Key wrote:
Mike wrote:
That said, I do have to ask: Why should we expect the silver in the
bloodstream still to be ionic? If it is complexed with something that
the body is using as a transport mechanism, is there any reason to see
it in a test for silver ions?
Perhaps the issue of looking for ionic silver in the bloodstream may
stem
from the in vitro tests of ionic silver that demonstrate it killing
pathogens in the lab. The claims imply that if ionic silver can kill
pathogens in a petri dish, it can do the same thing in the
bloodstream. The
problem is that no one has ever found that silver ions can exist
inside the
human body.
If ionic silver is complexed and circulated with the blood, where is
the
evidence that would demonstrate the existence of such a mechanism?
How does silver get complexed when the first thing it encounters upon
ingestion is the stomach acid (HCL)? When ionic silver mixes with HCL
it
only takes a few seconds to precipitate to silver chloride. Saliva
mixed
with ionic silver does not prevent the silver chloride precipitation
from
HCL. Silver chloride is insoluble once formed. Some of it may be
absorbed
into the bloodstream, but it is not known to have strong antimicrobial
properties.
In seems much more likely that it is the silver particles, which
typically
account for about 10% of the total silver in ionic silver products,
that
are getting into the bloodstream and killing the pathogens. That was
also
the conclusion of Prof. Ronald Gibbs and others at the University of
Delaware when they were doing their investigation.
Does your high-particulate product show up in the bloodstream as ions,
or something else? Does ionic silver end up in the bloodstream, but
just not as free ions available for an ISE measurement?
When colloidal silver particles are ingested, silver can be detected
in the
bloodstream within 15 minutes using atomic absorption/emission, but no
silver ions are detectable in the blood using an ISE.
For silver particles to be converted into silver ions inside the body
would
require that something inside the body be capable of ionizing those
particles. In theory there is no substance in the body that is capable
of
ionizing metallic silver. To the best of my knowledge, it has never
been
demonstrated that metallic silver can be ionized in the body.
Hydrochloric
acid in the stomach will not effect metallic silver. The acids and
other
substances that can ionize metallic silver are not found in the body.
This group may find it interesting that some silver products on the
market
have been found to contain little or no silver. See:
http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/reports.html#results
Frank Key
----- Original Message -----
From: "M. G. Devour" <mdev...@eskimo.com>
To: <silver-list@eskimo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Detecting Silver In The Blood
Frank writes:
My point is that if it is ionic silver, why can't an ISE measure
their
presence? Atomic absorption/emission can detect the presence of
silver
in the blood, but the ISE finds no silver ions.
Thank you for your continued presence and contribution to our list,
Frank. Indeed I appreciate the information about silver products
you've
shared with the community at large.
That said, I do have to ask: Why should we expect the silver in the
bloodstream still to be ionic? If it is complexed with something that
the body is using as a transport mechanism, is there any reason to see
it in a test for silver ions?
Does your high-particulate product show up in the bloodstream as ions,
or something else? Does ionic silver end up in the bloodstream, but
just not as free ions available for an ISE measurement?
Thanks!
Mike D.
[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
[mdev...@eskimo.com ]
[Speaking only for myself... ]
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