Jason Eaton wrote: > Hi Marsall: > > I've been following everyone's analysis of the h2o2 silver issue with > interest. > > There appears to be a great problem when trying to theoretically analyze the > chemical equation associated with the silver h2o2 reactions. > > To sum the problem up, there are different reactions that occur depending on > the attributes of the silver product used. > > In other words, when I make CS using the old coyote silver generator, I get > a markedly different end product than if I use silver made with Trem's SG7. > > Awhile back, I got into a lengthly discussion with an individual involved in > the water purification industry. > > His contemporaries felt that it was absolutely ludicrous to even consider > that h2o2 caused an atomization/ionization of silver particles. They use > hydrogen peroxide to reclaim silver from waste waters. The hydrogen > peroxide causes...all of the silver... to fall out of suspension ( become > insoluable ). >
I think he may be looking at elephants, and we are looking at gnats. Since silver oxide only has a solubility of 13 pm, if you have any significant silver content, most of it will fall out. But we typically work with 10 or less ppm, so in that case we do not see fall out (although I certainly did when I tested the H2O2 on metallic silver). And if there is virtually any chlorine in the mix, most of that will end up becoming silver chloride and falling out as well. If there is any developer in the mix, then the AgO will plate out as silver particles and precipitate as well. Developer can be tannen, caffine, and loads of other possibilities, including sunlight. > > Considering all of my practical experience with the H2O2 silver combination, > this obviously through me for a loop. > > An associate on another list took a sample of CS, and then CS with H2O2 > added ( same batch ) down to a local water processing plant. A friend took > an SEM ( I believe ) of the "before and after", and the resulting images > strongly indicated that the H2O2 was reducing the silver agglomerates. The > results, at any rate, were significant enough to convince the technical > staff that the H2O2 was indeed resulting in a reaction producing smaller > silver particles. > As it eats away on the particles they will reduce in size, until at some point they will be gone completely. > > My only guess at the moment, is that the colloidal portion of an IES product > is acting as a catalyst to enduce a reaction that otherwise would not > happen. Is it the kenetic force ( or the zeta potential ) that keeps the > silver "in suspension"? I dropped a piece of silver wire into H2O2 and it bubbled, then the water turned cloudy with AgO after a few hours. There was no colloidal part initially at all. > > One thing I do know: > > If one utilizes a high quality EIS, about 5 PPM, with a particulate content > of about 5%, the H2O2 will ionize all the silver, and the H2O2 will > stabilize in solution. I utilized peroxide testing strips to "follow" the > reactions. Can you tell me a little more on this? > > > If one creates an EIS with larger agglomerates, small flakes, etc., it is > very easy to see the non-soluble silver settle out on the bottom of the > container. > > Also, taking what certainly appears to be a stable H2O2 silver combination, > and adding it to "drinking water" can also result in the silver falling out > of suspension within a few days. > > Aside from that, I can say that more than one life has been saved by the > silver h2o2 combination utilized to treat out of control mouth infections. > > I assisted one individual for a year. It took that long for the individual > to save up the money to have the root teeth problems taken care of. > > My favorite "immediate use" combination? ... is to brew a very strong > "yellow" batch of CS with nearly boiling water, using a current limited > generator and water aggitation. I first brew a batch of about 10PPM EIS > using the Silver Puppy old model. Then, I switch to a modified version of > the Silver Puppy Generator; one that does not have the auto-shut down, and > one with a potentiometer wired in ( my thanks to KEN!!! ). > > I apply a significant amount of heat, keeping the brew just below boiling, > and I continually reduce the current flow into the water. If able, I > continue this process for about four or five hours. > > Then, I immediately add 2 to 4 drops of 35% H2o2 to 4 ounces of this brew. > The moment the H2o2 hits the EIS, it boils. I wait about two or three > minutes, then administer the concoction. It sounds like the concoction would be too hot to administer that quickly. > > > This is something one does not want to "swallow" for at least three to five > minutes ( in other words, the silver is held in mouth ). Swallowing the > combination too soon will result in the upset stomach commonly associated > with oral h2o2 use. This is not necessary, as we're not trying to deliver > H2o2 into the stomach. > > I developed this method when everything else ( including EIS alone ) failed > to arrest a deep and life threatening infection in a mouth. There is no doubt from the messages others have left here that adding H2O2 to CS tends to supercharge it. I am wanting to find out how and why though. It makes no sense that turning a 5% level of particles into ions (such as silver oxide), would increase it's effectivenes by serveral times, since that would only be increasing the ionic portion by about 5%. Something else is at work here. Marshall > > > Best Regards, > > Jason > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marshall Dudley" <mdud...@king-cart.com> > To: <silver-list@eskimo.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 7:11 AM > Subject: CS>CS and H2O2 > > > http://www.silvermedicine.org/h2o2archives.html > > > > http://www.silvermedicine.org/h2o2.html > > > > Marshall > > > > > > > > -- > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <mdev...@eskimo.com> > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.736 / Virus Database: 490 - Release Date: 08/10/2004
