Re: CS>CS and H2O2
From: Jason Eaton
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 10:49:44
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> Hi Marshall:
> On three occasions, I utilized a low PPM highly ionic EIS made
> with the old silverpuppy generator.
> I added a few drops of 35% h2o2 into about four ounces of CS. I
> checked the tyndall before and after; a pronounced tyndall effect
> was present after adding the H2O2.
> After one to three days, no tyndall effect was present. No
> "fall-out" was present in the glass container I used for the
> experiments. The taste of the sol indicated that it was highly
> ionic. H2O2 PH testing strips indicated that there was still
> between 25-50 PPM ( had to estimate with the testing strips ) H2O2
> in solution.
> One little tiny silver sparkly or minute silver flake seems to
> throw that all off.
> I haven't tried any h2o2 experiments with Ken's newer generator,
> but I assume it would be similiar to Trem's units. There seems to
> be a higher particulate content, and the reaction with the
> particles can go on for days, likely even weeks with enough h2o2.
> Best Regards,
> Jason
Hi Jason,
Thank you for your excellent and detailed report. I have not
calculated your concentration of H2O2, but a quick estimate is in
the 50ppm ballpark. This is very close to the 40 ppm I use and seems
to agree with the concentration in other user's posts.
I also sometimes notice a haziness in the cs after adding the H2O2,
but not always. Similarly, the salt test seems to have strange
reaction on some occasions, and other times it gives a clear, normal
dispersion with or without H2O2.
The reactions you describe are difficult to model mathematically,
but I suspect part of the problem may be trace contaminants in the
dw, perhaps chlorine, or trace metals such as calcium, sodium,
magnesium, phosphorous, etc. These may cause different reactions
with the H2O2 and byproducts.
Contamination is a serious problem with H2O2, and caused much grief
for the Germans during WWII with their Me-263 rocket interceptor.
More than one pilot died horribly when the H2O2 tank behind them
leaked causing an explosion. Contamination, leaks and H2O2
explosions are suspected in the loss of the British submarine HMS
Sidon and the Russian submarine Kursk:
http://edition.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/08/08/kursk/
I hasten to add these programs used highly-concentrated H2O2 - well
above the 35% food grade or 3% pharmaceutical grade stuff we
encounter.
Some of the different reactions we see may also be due to the
stabilizers used in different grades of H2O2. Each application needs
a different stabilizer, so it may be difficult to compare results
with 35% food grade vs the 3% Walmart stuff.
It might be valuable to try to understand hydrogen peroxide from a
chemistry viewpoint. Here is a very brief summary of Hydrogen and
Oxygen.
Normally, water is composed of one oxygen ion combined with two
hydrogen ions. The two hydrogen ions push each other apart to form
an angle of 104 degrees, which is what makes the density of water
the highest at 4 degrees C, or slightly above the freezing point.
This gift from the Gods keeps the oceans from filling with ice from
the bottom up and becoming solid ice.
Many elements hate to be alone, and strive to make a pair. They are
called diatomic, and include hydrogen, oxygen, and many others.
Notably, helium is monatomic and is quite happy to exist alone.
The diatomic elements (hydrogen, oxygen, etc) take a large amount of
energy to separate, and they won't stay separated very long.
For example, monatomic oxygen can be formed in a plasma torch and
has a useful lifetime of several milliseconds before it recombines.
Another place you will find it is in the stratosphere, about 60 km
above the surface of the Earth. But not many people go there.
The significance of this is hydrogen peroxide is ordinary water with
one atom of oxygen stuck on. When we release the extra oxygen, we
release a great deal of energy.
You can visualize this in ASCII as water looking like "HOH". This
shows how the two hydrogen ions move to the opposite side of the
oxygen ion.
Using this method, hydrogen peroxide, H2O2 looks like "HOOH". (Some
have suggested we try to add a carbon and make hooch, but I don't
think that belongs here:)
Now, when we add hydrogen peroxide to something, we may get
surprising results. In some cases, there may be no reaction
whatsoever.
In other cases, there may be something that causes a reaction with
the H2O2, and we can experience anything from lots of bubbles to a
violent explosion that blows the container apart.
The problems with trace contaminants is the reason most hydrogen
peroxide programs have shut down, and why no manufacturer will make
or try to ship high-concentration H2O2 (Officially, but I understand
you can still get it in Mexico.)
This significance this presents is we should always be open to
conflicting descriptions of what happens when H2O2 is added to cs.
It may be normal and expected, or it may be due entirely to trace
contaminants. We may not know enough at the present time to be able
to tell the difference.
Best Wishes,
Mike Monett
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