Lets try again, I am forwarding one of the messages that "never made it".
Marshall -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: CS>How many ppm in CS Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:54:04 -0500 From: Marshall Dudley <[email protected]> To: [email protected] References: <[email protected]> David W Kenney wrote: > There talking about 5,000 to 50,000 ppm!!!!! > That's a WOW in my opinion.... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Monett [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 6:27 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: CS>How many ppm in CS > > RE: CS>How many ppm in CS > From: David W Kenney > Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:15:43 > > > http://www.invive.com > > > I was sent the above site... > > > It suggests that the CS we make in the 1-2 digits is essentially > > worthless. Anyone want to comment on this...or is this just > > another sales technique. > > This is just another sales technique. > > If you can see anything in the product, it's not ions. Ions are > invisible. > That is correct, any compound is solution is clear, although it may give color to the liquid. > > The visible particles generated during silver electrolysis are > silver oxides. They are inert. You need to learn chemistry. Any compound that dissolves in water forms ions. That means that silver oxide (not the tetraoxide, but the Ag2O) which dissolves in water IS silver ions. So you can't have it both ways, that silver ions are active, and silver ions are inert both. Silver particles are insoluable, thus they cannot be silver oxides (Ag2O). Silver particles can be easily determined with a scanning spectrograph, as to size and composition. I have done this many times, and the silver particles that are shown by a laser are a colloid of silver particles. Even if they were insoluable silver oxides like tetra silver tetra oxide, they would precipitate out, because this compound does not accumulate a charge and will thus settle out, which the colloidal silver metal particle portion of EIS does not settle out. > > > The extremely high concentration they recommend is a reflection of > the biological inertness of silver oxides. The Tetrasil (Imusil) > products are even worse - they recommend 40ppm _IN THE BLOODSTREAM_! > > A human has an average of 5 liters of blood, so this is 5 * 40 = 200 > milligrams of silver oxide. This is a dangerously high dose for > Agyria. > > To put it in perspective, I take 1 oz of 20 uS cs sublingually for > 10 minutes, and spit the remaining solution in the sink. I once > calculated the maximum amount of silver ions that could enter my > bloodstream at 70 parts per billion, assuming 100% absorption. > > This was very effective on the Shingles virus and a series of very > strong cold sore viruses, and stopped them in their tracks. I was > taking 8 oz of about 10 ppm prior, and it had no effect on the > Shingles virus, and barely dented the cold sore viruses. > > Silver ions are the only thing that will kill bacteria and viruses. > The oxides are worthless, as people are starting to discover, from > the recent posts on various infections. Once again you are confused. Silver oxides when dissolved in water form silver ions. Just what do you think a silver ion is? A silver ion is a Ag+ atom which has lost an electron, and has an associated cation which is -. The cation can be an OH, which is normally what it is in freshly made EIS, or it can be an O-- where two Ag+ are associated with it. In either case you have silver ions when it is dissolved in water. Silver oxode cannot form particles in concentrations of less than 13 ppm, since that is the solubility limit of silver oxide. That is like saying sugar or salt particles, they just don't happen when it dissolves. > > > There are no pure silver particles in cs, and pure silver cannot > affect bacteria or viruses. The silver has to be converted to ions > to be effective, as in the Silverlon bandages for burns. But this > relies on plasmas that are released in response to the burn damage, > that may not be present in normal body fluids. Where do you get this bunk? Take a laser and point it into the liquid. You will see Tyndall. Look up tyndall, it indicates particles. Look up silver oxide Ag2O, and see what it's solubility limit is, which is 13 ppm. Use you brain and realize that if you have less than 13 ppm of silver oxide, it cannot form particles. Take some silver oxide and dissolve into hot water. Then let cool so you get a precipitate. Examine the water, and notice it has a tannish milky look, not clear yellow like CS. Let it set about 48 hours and notice that all the milkiness settles out as expected. Take some EIS and notice it is yellow and let it sit. Notice it does not settle. Take the EIS and put it into a scanning spectragraph and get the absorption spectrum. Do this with clear EIS, yellow EIS, gold EIS and orange EIS. Find the absortptions spectum of each. Go to the library and look up the paper I referenced earlier and look up the absorptions spectuum of different silver particles in a colloid (or look in the archives for graphs of same I posted previously). Compare them with what you got, and use that to determine the mean silver particle sizes. I have done all this. Your theorys are not validated when they completely go against experimental evidence and known scientific fact. If you think any of what you are sayingis correct then give some evidence, do some experiments, refer to some papers or books that back it up. > > > So ignore the ads for MSP or any product that focuses on > 'particles'. They only give you Argyria. > MSP can give argyria. There is no argument there. Argyria is particles which grow from ions of silver plating out on them, the very well known photographic development process. By what process can particles grow and form argyria when only particles are present? That requires silver ions or atoms. In fact there is good reason to believe that silver particles help prevent argyria, not cause it as I have outlined before. That is that although one would expect that the ionic (compound of AgOH) portion of EIS to be able to cause argyria, the particles act as nucleation sites if development takes place, make lots of particles grow a little, instead of a few particles formed through photoreduction grow a lot. Marshall > > All the Best, > > Mike Monett > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: [email protected] > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: [email protected] > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]>
