Jim, even though "this person" may have made the comment as such, please try and refrain from feeding into his "needs." It doesn't make matters better for us list subscribers. Further more it doesn't make the situation any better to retaliate. He is obviously not aware of the conditions stipulated or simply doesn't care about the list rules.
We treat ourselves negatively enough, that we don't need reminders from others. If he wants to be that way, let him. We can't all be a smart as him. ;) so perhaps we need others with more patience. Regards, Ernie. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Holmes [mailto:ami...@starband.net] Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 3:20 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS>FW: Silver Testimonials Hello listers, I sent this Asshole a simple quote of some current references, without comment, that had been offered by some of you. I made no editorial comment at all, and never said anything critical about his position, only offered some different data. This is his response. -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Campbell [mailto:w...@cqs.com] Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 1:24 AM To: Jim Holmes Subject: Re: Silver Testimonials Look, this is getting ridiculous. Get the RTECS CD, or go to any public medical library and look at it, and get the citations yourself. The ones I cited are for METALLIC silver, not silver chloride or silver nitrate. Furthermore, anyone with any biochemical knowledge knows that silver is partially soluble in saline, acid, and base. It is not a noble metal like gold or platinum. Therefore it will emit silver ions in vivo (inside the human body) and ionic silver is cited to cause cancer. (A citation for silver nitrate is a citation for inorganic ionic silver. It makes little difference what the negative ion is - nitrate, chloride, etc. - because in solution the negative ions dissociate from the metal ion. This is basic high school chemistry.) Finally, the Silver Institute has been quoted as saying that metallic silver should not be ingested because having bits of conductive metal next to neurons and nerve tissue is not a good idea. Don't you understand? You are mucking with a sensitive, complex physiology, and you are putting a refined metallic substance that was never intended for consumption ever and was locked in the ground until people started using it for coinage into this complex system. If you know anything about homeostatisis, you will know that this is NOT A GOOD IDEA. Don't be stupid. Wake up. (And stop sending me emails. If I get anything more from you, I'll report you as a harassment spammer.) Westhofen M, Schafer H., Generalized argyrosis in man: neurotological, ultrastructural and X-ray microanalytical findings., Arch Otorhinolaryngol 1986;243(4):260-4 "Our findings indicate that the affinity of silver for membrane and neuronal structures and the deposition of silver as an insoluble compound (Ag2S) induce the progression of clinical disease" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Holmes" <ami...@starband.net> To: "'Jonathan Campbell'" <w...@cqs.com> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:17 AM Subject: FW: Silver Testimonials > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason E [mailto:resea...@silvermedicine.org] > Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 7:34 PM > To: Jim Holmes > Subject: Re: Silver Testimonials > > Hi Jim: > > I am aware of several studies done on metallic silver and human tissues > that show metallic silver is not carcinogenic. > > Stating that AGNO3 and metallic silver are the same is not correct, in > ANY sense. > > Furst and Schlauder, as an example, stated in 2003 that silver was not > carcinogenic. The RTEC for silver chloride and potassium chloride, as > another example, confirm that even silver chloride is non-carcinogenic. > > http://www.seabird.com/pdf_documents/msds_sheets/EMD-PotassiumChlorideAndSil > verChloride.pdf > > THe EPA and every risk study that I've viewed show no carcinogenic > effect of isolated silver. > > As far as silver nitrate? I wouldn't allow this substance to touch my > body. > > Take a look: > > http://www.epa.gov/iris/subst/0099.htm > > Kind Regards, > > Jason > > Jim Holmes wrote: >> Jonathan Campbell [w...@cqs.com], >> >> >> >> Has posted at his website that metallic silver is a Carcinogen. When I >> mailed him for his citation(s) he responded with this. >> >> >> >> When I searched for the RTECS, I was asked to pay to acces the data, >> although it is run by the United States Government. I have requested >> information on the cost to access the database. In the meantime, can >> any respond to the following. >> >> >> >> What does any of this mean? The following is Campbell's response to my >> question. >> >> >> >> >> >> From the Registry of Toxic Effects of Chemical Substances, 1979 print >> edition >> >> >> >> metallic silver >> >> rat-neo Cancer Research, 16,439, 56 >> >> mouse-car Naturwissenschaften 42,75,55 >> >> rat-car Naturwissenschaften 42,75,55 >> >> >> >> silver nitrate (i.e., ionic silver. since silver is slightly soluble in >> saline, silver ions are emitted) >> >> mouse-neo National Cancer Institute monograph 10,489,683 >> >> >> >> The philosophy of testing for carcinogenicity is that it is binary: >> either it is or it isn't, dose is not an issue. This is an accurate and >> generally accepted method of assessment, because to be a carcinogen a >> chemical substance must be able to specifically cause a double-break in >> DNA chains that is not repaired correctly. Certain heavier metals and >> their ions appear to be in this category. >> >> -end- >> >> >> >> Your comments will be appreciated, >> >> >> >> Jim Holmes >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.4/175 - Release Date: >> 11/18/2005 > > > -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour <mdev...@eskimo.com>
