this conversation has left me with an idea, i have the kind of solar panel
that you use to put up an electric fence, i no longer use it because the
dogs run so fast that they are past the darn thing before they could get
zapped, frustrating but true. Would this be a viable piece of equipment in
making a still work? If so can some one give me directions on making the
still? bear in mind that i am a stupid old woman and need very good
directions. Jen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jonathan B. Britten" <jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp>
To: <silver-list@eskimo.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 4:54 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Batteries, Stills, Primitive Location ?
Hi, Wayne,
I am not the paranoid survivalist type, but I can easily foresee some very
hard situations a family could be caught in, having been through some very
bad storms, earthquakes, and such. This awareness informs my thinking
about what sort of kit I'd like to have.
I do have a non-electric distiller one can use over fire; I've never even
tried it out, I just have it on hand. It seems well made, but I have
something a bit more elegant in mind.
What I want might be hard to build, and I'm usually third-rate at making
things (though good at fixing them.)
The ideal setup would use a very high-efficiency solar panel -- a durable
one -- that could somehow run the entire process. It would provide
enough current to heat a small quantity of water for distillation, to
produce maybe a liter per day. The device would also supply the proper
current-controlled voltage to run a setup something like Trem's best
SilverGen (SG7), which I hope to get someday.
The goal would be to make, say, over the course of eight hours of
sunshine, about a liter of good quality EIS. It should be a reliable,
trouble-free, hands-off operation. The idea also would be to make and
store ten or more liters in advance.
The solar oven designs of Dr. Steven Jones (a 9/11 Truth advocate by the
way) might also be incorporated. Jones designed some really interesting
things for people in Africa to use instead of firewood.
The idea would also be to have a tough, reliable product that could last
for years and years without maintenance. It would be small enough to
carry over the shoulder or in a backpack.
That's a tall order, but I think a clever and well-organized
businessperson could make a decent income from it.
JBB
On Thursday, Sep 14, 2006, at 16:10 Asia/Tokyo, Wayne Fugitt wrote:
Morning Jonathan,
>>At 10:27 PM 9/13/2006, you wrote:
I'd be very interested to see a kind of survival still/generator setup,
at modest price.
I have thought about this also. Not necessarily the still, but of
course it is required, equally as important as the generator.
A good solar still could make large quantities of distilled water; a
solar-powered generator could turn the water into EIS.
What quantity do you have in mind as "Large Quantity"?
A few years ago, I had a friend in the business of building Solar Panels.
One of the engineers there turned down a trailer load of blemished solar
panels. Most products that are blemished are still very good.
Once a battery manufacturer had a lot of blemished clear case batteries.
They were blemished because the clear cases were cleaned improperly.
They were not clear in places. Seems some kind of acid was used to clean
them and this produced streaks and spots.
I was able to buy them for the price of scrap lead. I tested all that I
purchased and every single one was the most uniform batteries I have ever
seen. While they made batteries for other companies with other labels,
these were being manufactured for their own label.
I sold one lot to a Fire Station, explaining the situation and giving
them a full warranty. I never had a problem with a single battery.
Back to the solar panels, I did get a few free blemished panels.
One has been over in my field for a few years, still connected to a
battery. Guess it would be interesting to see if it is still working. I
was powering a long range photo beam which I had connected into a
computer to data log deer movement. Interesting and fun for sure.
Are you saying this Survival Still / Generator will be in a remote
location where no power is available? The still would have a sizable
power requirement, unless the Solar Still principle was used.
I have a still I have never put into use that states it will deliver 3
gallons per hour. Current draw is 16 amps at 240 volts. It does need
circulating water in the water jacket. It is 50 years old. Brass and
Copper lasts a long time. I am sure I could find many heating elements
that would work, in case that one does not. Since I got if free, I did
not inspect it too closely.
A well made integrated device selling for under 500 bucks might find a
solid market.
Still curious how you will power it? Commercial Power?
If so, that simplifies many problems.
Wayne
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