Ode, I was following you until I got to the part about the Google search.
You need to search on "Argyria" not "Agryia." Dan -----Original Message----- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net] Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 5:13 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Fwd: CS>Agryia You get Agyria from "retaining" more than [3 grams? ] of silver in an average human body mass. If the elimination system is normal, the elimination rate is around 94-99% in 48 hours. [Phalen and Morrow, Newton and Holmes, EPA ] Back when the links to studies on Rosemary Jacobs website actually worked, I went and read them. [They don't appear to even exist now] Rather than back up her story, they more tended to disprove it, or at least, make her case an extreme oddity. [and she never used "EIS" She "may" have used MSP or as she describes it *these days*, "CSP" or Colloidal Silver Protein which is in itself a distortion of the true description of that substance *Mild Silver Protein* which is by no means what "we" make and use. MSP is often sold at a thousand PPM and more. But the fact is, Rosemary doesn't know what she used...daily, sometimes hourly for many many many years. ] First, there were ZERO studies that dealt with "CS". Even though the cover page pasted over all those studies was entitled "CS", NONE even mentioned it. Second, All the studies were attempts to induce Agyria using preparations designed to do so, and failure to do so was the norm, not even close to being a rule. One scientist, expressing extreme frustration, went to the silver processing and mining industry in search of victims to study. He found the rate to be historically 1 in 2,000 and no current cases to study. [Absenteeism from illness was below industrial norms though] ANY form of silver has a retention rate, some more than others...some means of ingestion takes longer to eliminate. [Inhaled dose of silver dust, 90% in 30 days ] BTW, no one seems to mention anything about the continued elimination rates beyond 24 hours or 30 days, or what part of the studied time span has the highest rates if it's not a constant rate. BUT At 20 PPM and under, no normally functioning person lives long enough to retain even close to 3 grams nor is it possible without dying on the first day of trying to overwhelm a normal system due to the toxicity of water. Those who turn blue either have a rare elimination problem and/or [mostly and] are making/taking CS that's way too strong, too much, too often, for too long. Making "EIS" with distilled water that looks like something you'd give a dog is very difficult to do at over 30 PPM...somewhat difficult at 20 PPM. Decent looking "EIS" is usually 10-12 PPM and under. [EIS defined as electrically isolated silver in pure water ] Some people have made and over used what we call "mud" which could be hundreds or thousands of PPM. Others think they are using something they aren't, like silver citrate or mild silver protein, again, way too strong, too much for too long...and [generally]...have a metals elimination problem...generally... related to a Selenium deficiency. Even at that, Agyria is pretty rare. If you don't use distilled water, you don't know what forms of silver you are making or how strong it is. Mis-information about how strong a given process makes it over a given period of time has been far more common than anything else for decades...mostly consisting of 1 PPM per minute when really it's more like 1 PPM per minute, per minute, per OZ of water and using impure water or adding even a few salt crystals can put you anywhere on the acceleration curve including 1 PPM per second per OZ going exponentially higher every second. [At that rate, you'll likely get a thick brown/black emulation in under 2 minutes and I have a $150 generator made in the 80s that does just that.....makes dangerous black crap, fast! ] Even the small differences in purity of distilled water can throw predictions way way off. Some report improvement by supplementing Selenium and vitamin E People who are desperate and dying, or disease paranoid are the ones who use CS excessively. If it doesn't work, they may well not live long enough to turn blue. If it does, "Better blue than dead"....and probably won't turn blue anyway as the odds are against it even when over using very strong preparations. For a safety comparison, Aspirin kills +/- 500 people a year. I can't even find an occurrence figure for Agyria. Basically, while someone who says they turned blue is not to be ignored, specifics are an absolute necessity in order to take it seriously in proper application of information. " I am blue but can't tell you how I got that way for legal reasons" ...just doesn't cut it. [ I guess we'll have to wait ] [Not that any of this is intended to represent a conclusion, it is some sort of indication] General Google search: Results 1 - 10 of about 27,400 for agyria Classical lissencephaly, also known as lissencephaly type I, is a brain malformation that may occur as an isolated abnormality (isolated lissencephaly sequence [ILS]) or in association with certain underlying syndromes (e.g., Miller-Dieker syndrome, Norman-Roberts syndrome). The condition is characterized by absence (agyria) or incomplete development (pachygyria) of the ridges or convolutions (gyri) of the outer region of the brain (cerebral cortex), causing the brain's surface to appear unusually smooth. [No mention of silver] http://www.makingcontact.org/index.php?ci=56 Searching on Agyria 0 people found Although I have found no people listed against Agyria , there may still be some people listed with our <http://www.cafamily.org.uk/helpline.html>Helpline who are seeking contact but are not listed here. If you reside in the UK and would like some assistance from our helpline then please <http://www.cafamily.org.uk/helpline.html#pro-forma>e-mail them or telephone them on 0808 808 3555 (Mon-Fri 10am to 4pm, Mon 5.30pm-7pm). Results 1 - 10 of about 1,230,000 for <http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&oi=dict&q=http://www.answers.com/colloid al%26r%3D67&usg=__3zg8sjuLQ8Q5lhqpciFijCW-t8Y=>colloidal <http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&oi=dict&q=http://www.answers.com/silver% 26r%3D67&usg=__zehsBaTISyTZ3Ll1iCVaNc35Fhs=>silver. Ode At 08:25 AM 2/4/2007 -0800, you wrote: >Hello Everyone > >I am totally new to colloidal silver. Can someone explain to me what >causes Argyria? Is it really due to not using distilled water? > >Why would anyone want to take anything other than food and water and >oxygen indefintely? > >Are there things that can be done to reverse it if it does happen? > >Thank you very much. > > > >Deborah Gerard <devorah...@yahoo.com> wrote: >Hey that is a huge group over there (5) people...grandkids, parents, >cats, and myself have not had any problems....deb argyriavic...@aol.com >wrote: >Oops, sorry for some reason this didn't go to the list and it went to >bronco himself. This is to correct the problem. I am just another >person this list caused to get Argyria due to their beliefs of CS. I >can't give any details on my problem because at this time there is an >attorney working on my case and many others who have had Argyria >happen. But this is not Rosemary, this is a case that has occurred in >the last several years and not years ago before they knew what they >were doing as many try to say. > >ArgyriaVictim >http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Argyria/ >From: argyriavic...@aol.com >Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 19:47:02 EST >Subject: Re: CS>Agryia >To: bro...@gtcinternet.com > >In a message dated 2/3/2007 5:31:35 P.M. Central Standard Time, >bro...@gtcinternet.com writes: >Rosemary, how interesting to hear from you again. Still got the anger >problem, eh? Hope you and yours are well, please do stop by again >sometime. >NOT. > >Sorry to disappoint you but this is not Rosemary. Thank you! Once >again you have been proven wrong. Rosemary would have signed Rosemary. > > > >ArgyriaVictim >http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Argyria/ > > > >Any questions? 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