> -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jason Stevens > Sent: 20 December 2010 20:37 > To: Ian King > Cc: [email protected]; Gregg Levine > Subject: Re: [Simh] SIMH on Windows CE > > > NT Lite would be .. nice.. then again just look at NT 4.0 and > it's perfect for embedded space, it's so TINY by modern > requirements....
Yes but MT4 lacks USB support... > > What always bothered me about CE is that the x86 cpu is so... > second class, I know it was going to be a brave new RISC > world, but wow is building x86 exe's outside of Platform > Builder such a PITA.... Like in this project I'm hoping to > 'borrow' nethack's windows console, and it's taken me all day > to get an x86 version.... Then again it could be me too.... > Funny how the x86emu wouldnt build on embeded VC 4, but it > does on 3.... Oh well. > > I'm just glad I didn't toss my 2.11 stuff, it's been a lifesaver! > > On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Ian King <[email protected]> wrote: > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Jason Stevens [mailto:[email protected]] > >> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 9:30 AM > >> To: Gregg Levine > >> Cc: [email protected]; Ian King > >> Subject: Re: [Simh] SIMH on Windows CE > >> > >> The MS pages really vary wildly in quality, the 'tech' > stuff seems to > >> miss major details, and the blog stuff seems include major > details in > >> passing... > >> > >> Luckily for me this site, hpcfactor > (http://www.hpcfactor.com/) has a > >> lot of the old VC toolkits for CE.. which has been a > massive help. I > >> just hate how MS pretends old products never existed... But at the > >> same time, I'm kind of liking the setup... I must be > weird, I guess. > >> > > > > You think MS is bad? Try HP.... > > > > I was the test manager for the Windows CE core in the 4.2 and 5.0 > > days. Even between those two releases there were breaking changes > > that typically required app code changes. No, it wasn't signed > > packages or anything like that, just lots of API changes. That was > > also the early days of the .Net Compact Framework as it was > called, so > > "managed code" was just coming into vogue as 5.0 was shipping. > > > > Since then, they've completely restructured the kernel - > essentially > > "NT Lite." I have no idea how that impacted product development in > > the environment (I left Microsoft in 2008). But it can't be good. > > :-) > > > > There was also a lot of confusion and conflict as to the purpose of > > CE. By the 5.0 timeframe, the "smart phone" folks thought > they were > > the only customer and all development should focus on making them > > happy (even though they had not a clue just what they wanted or > > needed). Sad, really: there were a lot of folks who worked hard to > > make a good embedded (soft) real-time OS that was > subsequently hacked > > into a series of geeky toys that existed primarily to sell > more copies > > of Windows. > > > _______________________________________________ > Simh mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh > _______________________________________________ Simh mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
