On 2020-07-03 06:51, Peter Svensson wrote:
Hi all,
This is getting a bit silly. Compared to some of the other things MAME
emulates the vt100 and other terminals should be downright easy.
I am not at all sure I agree with that... I think you too should look at
the VT100 technical manual and see how soft scrolling is done, as an
example of a place where the hardware emulation can actually become
rather tricky...
As to why, well there is not much reason to run simh either, except that
it pleases us. I guess the same applies here. More power to whoever
wants to do this. Let's help them instead of explaining why it is useless.
If you actually bothered reading through my answer, you would have seen
that I didn't argue against running MAME as a terminal emulator, or
claimed that it was useless.
Instead I was trying to point out that he should only run the correct
firmware on the emulated hardware, and he needed to get it running by
itself before he started figuring out how to connect to simh.
For the connection to simh the quickest way may be to start with the tcp
connection to the console / serial line cards.
And before he actually have a working terminal in MAME, I would say he
should fix that instead of trying to get something non-working connected
to simh.
Johnny
Peter
On July 3, 2020 12:05:39 AM GMT+02:00, Johnny Billquist <b...@softjar.se>
wrote:
Just a couple of comments...
On 2020-07-02 13:16, Peter Allan wrote:
Well my request for help getting MAME to talk to simh has
generated a
lot of replies, so let me deal with them in groups.
Why not use PuTTY for the VT emulator?
What is the point of trying to use MAME for VT emulation?
My reason for being interested in using MAME is that it is NOT a
terminal emulator program All terminal emulator programs such as
PuTTY,
xterm, SecureCRT, etc, are pieces of software that aim to
emulate the
functions of a particular type of terminal. While all of them
are useful
(I use putty and xterm quite a lot myself), all of them fail to
implement some features of the physical terminal. Usually this
is not a
problem, but occasionally I find it really annoying. The point
about
MAME is that, rather like simh itself, it simulates the hardware
and
runs the real firmware from real VTxxx ROMs. In the case of the VT
terminal configuration, MAME simulates an 8085 microprocessor and
executes the code from the original ROMs. Hence all the features
of a
physical terminal should be present automatically.
I can understand the need/interest/fun of running the actual firmware
instead of some emulation. But of course you then have the question of
how accurately that hardware emulation is. It's more than just a
question of emulating the CPU that is inside the terminal. DEC was doing
some pretty nifty things in hardware to allow some features to work.
You really should check out of smooth scrolling on the VT100 is
accomplished...
(http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/terminal/vt100/EK-VT100-TM-003_VT100_Technical_Manual_Jul82.pdf,
page 4-97, section 4.7.9 - "Split Screen Smooth Scrolling". Emulating
those hardware tricks are not going to be easy...
Anyway, to also point out something else, the VT100 have an 8080. The
VT220 have an 8051, while the VT240 have a T11 as the main processor,
and an 8085 for the video logic.
This should tell you a little bit about the futility of trying to run
the wrong ROMs on the emulator...
As for getting MAME to talk to simh, I think you need to start with just
MAME playing a terminal at all. Once you accomplish that, then you can
start looking at how to hook them up. If the VT simulation in MAME was
fully accurate, you would have a serial connector on the back, which the
terminal uses. So then you need to run a cable to a serial port used by
simh. But of course, you probably do not want an emulation down to that
level, but are expecting to simulate the serial ports...
Johnny
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