thanks Spencer and Pekka, 

a friend forwarded me a sipping draft for transfer which I also found
useful (and maybe others will too...): 

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-sipping-cc-transfer-03.txt

thanks, 
Joel

--- Spencer Dawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi, Joel,
> 
> > Hi all,
> >
> > In RFC 3515, section 2, second paragraph, it states, "Unless stated
> > otherwise, the protocol for emitting and responding to a REFER 
> > request
> > are identical to those for a BYE request in [1]."  [1] is RFC 3261.
> >
> > In RFC 3261, section 15.1.1, it states, "The UAC MUST consider the
> > session terminated (and therefore stop sending or listening for 
> > media)
> > as soon as the BYE request is passed to the client transaction."
> >
> > So, if my UA sends a REFER, does it automatically stop
> > sending/receiving RTP?
> 
> I THINK what RFC 3515 is trying to say is, "the protocol for deciding
> 
> whether you have to increment CSeq or send through a proxy, etc. is 
> identical to those for a BYE request used as an example in Section 16
> 
> of [1]", but I agree that the 3515 text is confusing on this point.
> 
> I note that RFC 2976 (INFO) has text like
> 
>    2.4 Behavior of SIP User Agents
> 
>       Unless stated otherwise, the protocol rules for the INFO
> request
>       governing the usage of tags, Route and Record-Route,
>       retransmission and reliability, CSeq incrementing and message
>       formatting follow those in [1] as defined for the BYE request.
> 
> and
> 
>    2.5 Behavior of SIP Proxy and Redirect Servers
> 
>       2.5.1 Proxy Server
> 
>          Unless stated otherwise, the protocol rules for the INFO
>          request at a proxy are identical to those for a BYE request 
> as
>          specified in [1].
> 
>       2.5.2 Forking Proxy Server
> 
>          Unless stated otherwise, the protocol rules for the INFO
>          request at a proxy are identical to those for a BYE request 
> as
>          specified in [1].
> 
>       2.5.3 Redirection Server
> 
>          Unless stated otherwise, the protocol rules for the INFO
>          request at a proxy are identical to those for a BYE request 
> as
>          specified in [1].
> 
> So I think 3515 is trying to say the same thing in one sentence, but 
> that sentence is just too overloaded...
> 
> Spencer 
> 
> 
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