Sameer,

Understood, but what we're trying to do is document the procedures for
out-of-dialog OPTIONS that is intended to ping the operational status of a
neighboring device. We're not focused on pinging a device that is three SIP
proxy hops away.  The purpose of that document is, for example, to allow  a
B2BUA that is peered with another B2BUA to know whether the peer is up and
able to accept new sessions.

Paul

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sameer Sawhney [mailto:ssawh...@cisco.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 1:14 PM
> To: 'Paul E. Jones'; 'mustafa rifaee'; sip-
> implement...@lists.cs.columbia.edu
> Cc: 'Gonzalo Salgueiro'
> Subject: RE: [Sip-implementors] Using SIP OPTIONS Message with IMS
> 
> Hi Paul,
> 
> The draft document talks about procedures to check operational status of
> SIP elements which support OPTIONS.
> 
> In network, there might be some SIP elements which do not support OPTIONS
> and they will respond appropriately with 405 (Method Not Allowed) to
> OPTIONS ping, proving that they are operational and can process further
> requests.
> 
> So I think there should not be any limitation that remote end point MUST
> support OPTIONS in order to check the operational status.
> 
> In case remote end point does not support OPTIONS, this should not bar the
> originating sip element to send further requests.
> 
> Regards
> Sameer Sawhney
> 
> 
> Extract:
> 
> To comply with procedures described in this document, all SIP entities,
> including SIP user agents and proxy servers, MUST support the OPTIONS
> message when received outside of a dialog in accordance with this memo.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sip-implementors-boun...@lists.cs.columbia.edu
> [mailto:sip-implementors-boun...@lists.cs.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of Paul
> E.
> Jones
> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 9:36 PM
> To: 'mustafa rifaee'; sip-implementors@lists.cs.columbia.edu
> Cc: Gonzalo Salgueiro
> Subject: Re: [Sip-implementors] Using SIP OPTIONS Message with IMS
> 
> Mustafa,
> 
> Not specific to IMS, there is a general need to query for operational
> status.  Unfortunately, we're finding every variant of SIP (or even
> products targeted for the same environment) use OPTIONS to query for
> operational status, but they all do it differently.  What we're trying to
> do is write a document or two that defines something everybody can live
> with.
> 
> Here's the draft we currently have:
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jones-sip-options-ping
> 
> Marius is also working on text for in-dialog OPTIONS and, unfortunately,
> I've not had a moment to review what was produced.
> 
> Paul
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sip-implementors-boun...@lists.cs.columbia.edu [mailto:sip-
> > implementors-boun...@lists.cs.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of mustafa
> > rifaee
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 11:17 AM
> > To: sip-implementors@lists.cs.columbia.edu
> > Subject: [Sip-implementors] Using SIP OPTIONS Message with IMS
> >
> > Hello all;
> > i would ask you about the draft of  Using OPTIONS to Query for
> > Operational Status in SIP.
> > Can we use OPTIONS message with IMS  to  Query for Operational Status
> > in SIP?
> >
> > Please Help me;
> > Thanks
> > Mustafa
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