On 8/11/14 12:33 AM, Arun Tagare wrote:
Hi Paul,

According to your response as below.
"It is also possible for Alice to use 3pcc O/A techniques to establish a
direct *media* path between Bob and Charlie, while Alice remains in the
signaling path between them"

While Alice remains in the signaling path means it is some thing like
"Conference Call you are talking about"
Correct me if i am wrong.

That depends on what you mean by "some thing like". :-)

You can think of it as a conference hosted by Alice, but where Alice is muted. Because Alice is muted there is no need for "mixing" of the media - it is sufficient to "switch" the media. So it is a lower cost operation.

        Thanks,
        Paul

Thank you,

With Regards
Arun A. Tagare




On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 12:30 AM, Sourav Dhar Chaudhuri
<sourav_mi...@yahoo.co.in <mailto:sourav_mi...@yahoo.co.in>> wrote:

    Hi Paul,
        Thanks a lot for your detailed response. You have answered all
    my doubts.

       I am really grateful for your email.

    Thanks & Regards,
    Sourav Dhar Chaudhuri



    On Tuesday, 5 August 2014 8:11 PM, Paul Kyzivat
    <pkyzi...@alum.mit.edu <mailto:pkyzi...@alum.mit.edu>> wrote:



    On 8/4/14 10:12 AM, Sourav Dhar Chaudhuri wrote:
     > Hi,
     >     Is there any way when a answered call  [ 200OK is already
    provided for initial INVITE and ACK also sent] can be transferred
    without using REFER method?
     >
     >    If it is possible without REFER then please let me know
    required procedure.

    More detail is needed to answer this.

    Lets assume that Alice and Bob are in a call. You want a transfer, so
    let's assume the transfer target is Charlie.

    Further, assume it is Alice that wants to initiate the transfer,
    resulting ultimately in Bob talking to Charlie.

    A simple answer to your question is for Alice to initiate the call to
    Charlie, and then bridge the media between Bob and Charlie. It is also
    possible for Alice to use 3pcc O/A techniques to establish a direct
    *media* path between Bob and Charlie, while Alice remains in the
    signaling path between them.

    The reason for REFER is to get Alice out of the signaling path. If there
    is a middlebox in the signaling (e.g. a sip pbx or an SBC) then in
    principle Alice can ask that middlebox to handle the transfer. But Alice
    needs a way to convey the desire to do so. Often REFER is still used for
    that, but is intercepted by middlebox, which then uses mechanisms such
    as I described above. Some other mechanism, other than REFER, can be
    used for that but it will be a proprietary solution.

         Does that help?
         Paul




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