Hi Vivek,

I agree most of your comment, however considering that the question here is 
“can CRBT palyed without Reliable Provisonal response.” and due to the fact 
that CRBT is an actually an  early media RTP flow  (played before 200 OK), 
there is nothing to prevent UAC to get the CRBT in this scenario  as the UAS 
knows where to send RTP. There should not be a  dependency to  the client as it 
is totally  as per RFC.

Regards,

Mustafa Aydın
NGN Services
Verscom Solutions
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From: Vivek Talwar [mailto:vivek.tal...@globallogic.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 6:31 PM
To: Mustafa AYDIN
Cc: Paul Kyzivat; sip-implementors@lists.cs.columbia.edu
Subject: Re: [Sip-implementors] can CRBT palyed without Reliable Provisonal 
response.

Hi Sourav,
        The UAS cann't send new offer in initial INVITE as per standards. 
Although above scenario can be propitiatory where sdp in 200 OK can be treated 
as answer but again as per standards sdp should be same in 1xx and 2xx 
responses. This will depend on client but yes above can work in some cases as B 
knows where to send media packets.
Thanks and Regards,
Vivek Talwar

On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 8:21 PM, Mustafa AYDIN 
<mustafa.ay...@verscom.com<mailto:mustafa.ay...@verscom.com>> wrote:
Phil,

I agree the messaging after 200 ok is incorrect but the main question is with 
the CRBT which is sent before 200 ok. Why do u think that the client would not 
get early media if the sdp in INV is correct ?

Rgrda
Mustafa

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Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:47 PM
To: 
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Subject: Re: [Sip-implementors] can CRBT palyed without Reliable Provisonal 
response.
On 10/15/14 10:22 AM, Sourav Dhar Chaudhuri wrote:
> Hi,
>      Can CRBT works without using Reliable Provisional Response ?
>
>
>
> A   ================   INVITE (with SDP offer)  ========================>  B
>
> A  <===============   180 ringing (with SDP answer ) ====================   B 
>  ----------------------> It is not a RPR
>
>                                           CRBT  Played
>
> A  <===============     200 OK for INVITE  ( new SDP offer) ===============   
>  B
>
> A  =================   ACK    (new SDP answer)   =======================>   B
>
>
> Whether the above diagram is a correct call flow for CRBT without using 
> Reliable Provisional response?

This is not correct, and wouldn't be correct even if the 180 was reliable.

See RFC6337.

        Thanks,
        Paul

> Regards
>
> Sourav Dhar Chaudhuri
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