I generally agree with what Tarun is saying, but have one clarification

On 7/22/15 1:39 PM, Tarun2 Gupta wrote:
Hi

Please refer Section 7.2 of RFC 4028.

If the UAS did not include a SE header in 200 OK response, it means that it 
does not want / support session expiration. In this case, UAC can perform 
refreshes but for its own benefit only. UAC should behave as if the 200 OK 
response contained refresher as 'UAC'.

However, UAC can also choose not to send any season refresh requests.

Ideally the ReInvite sent by UAC should be processed as any ordinary ReInvite. 
If the version number in the 'o' line in SDP did not change, the UAS can 
effectively treat the ReInvite as a no-operation.

There is *no* difference between reinvites triggered by session expiration and other reinvites. They are all processed exactly the same way. The only point of negotiating session timer is to ensure that a reinvite (or update) will be sent.

*Every* reinvite or update acts as a session timer refresh or a session timer cancellation.

Not sure why the UAS is sending 408 in this case. Is the UAC sending BYE on 
receipt of 408 for ReInvite?

The 408 indicates that the UAS has no knowledge of the dialog. Normally a BYE should have been sent in one direction or the other when terminating the dialog. While it is possible that a BYE was sent and lost, it would then have been retried several times. So it might be a sign of a bad network - lots of loss. Or, it could be that the UAS rebooted and forgot its state.

If none of those, then it points to bug in one end or the other: UAS could have dropped dialog without sending BYE, or UAC could have a corrupted dialog id.

        Thanks,
        Paul

Regards
Tarun Gupta

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 10:37 pm, NK <nitinkapo...@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All,

I need your help to understand a logic behind the session expires.

My doubt is.

--> Invite have "session-expire" header in Invite (from UAC to UAS)
--> UAS did not included "session-expire" header in 200 OK to the
correspondence of initial invite.

1) So in this case what we should assume, they accepted the sent value or
not?

2) If that UAS accepted the value we forwarded (1800 seconds) to them in
invite, however they did not reply whereas in invite our switch sent the
"refresher = uas" so in that case do our switch will send the re-invite to
them before timer expires or there is no need to send re-invite for target
refresh.


--> In our case we sent the invite with session expire to vendor but vendor
did not include any session expire value, and before time expire our switch
sent the re-invite to them despite knowing the fact that we never received
session expire in 200 OK from them (means there is no expiration is for
this session), but vendor replied with sip 408.

--> When we tried to explain them this problem they said we never agreed on
session expire in 200 OK so BYE is not legal.

Please help on this. Thank you in advance.

Regards,
Nitin Kapoor
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