> (d) they think it's a waste of resources to establish 
> multiple additional subscription dialogs (there may be other 
> type of data than DTMF they are willing to receive) which in 
> many cases may not even be used during the call (it can not 
> be assumed that the one sending the subscription always knows 
> exactly when it will receive events). Maybe DTMF is not the 
> best example in the world (my fault - I should have been more 
> generic), but I am sure there could be events which would not 
> be used in a very high percentage of all calls, but still the 
> additional subscription dialog(s) would have to be 
> established - just in case.

Maybe a way to subscribe to packages within an INVITE dialog would
be suitable. You then would get the NOTIFYs withind the dialog, and
they wouldn't be out-of-the-blue because you would have subscribed
to those events explicitly with some Allow-Event in the INVITE. 

I know many people will hate this idea but, I do agree with Christer
that subscribing to an event package "just in case" when it normally
is not used is quite a huge overhead and explain why people just
use INFO instead.


> I still strongly think it would be much better to describe 
> the issues/advantages/disadvantages with BOTH INFO and 
> events, and study what possible needs to defined related to 
> negotiation etc, instead of just ignoring the real world and 
> providing flexibility to people using SIP for their applications...

I think the idea above would address this and avoid the INFO pitfalls.



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