It says, knowledge of the subscription (as in for a service/event) and
not the subscribe dialog (as identified by the dialog identifiers, as
there isn't any...thus nothing for the proxy to work on). 481 applies to
knowledge of the dialog identifiers  and thus would be generated by an
unsuspecting UA who does not know about a dynamic (which has dialog ids)
subscription or one negotiated through other means. 


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-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Roach [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 9:40 AM
To: Sumit Garg
Cc: Brian Stucker; Dean Willis; Christer Holmberg; sip; Paul Kyzivat;
Michael Procter; Elwell,John
Subject: Re: [Sip] INFO

Sumit Garg wrote:
> Unsolicited NOTIFYs are widely used for Voicemail and are allowed in
> RFC3265
>   

Um.... no.

Please refer to the following excerpt from the section you quoted.

>
> Designers of such mechanisms are also
>    warned to make a distinction between sending a NOTIFY message to a
>    subscriber who is aware of the subscription, and sending a NOTIFY
>    message to an unsuspecting node.  The latter behavior is invalid,
and
>    MUST receive a "481 Subscription does not exist" response (unless
>    some other 400- or 500-class error code is more applicable), as
>    described in section 3.2.4.  In other words, knowledge of a
>    subscription must exist in both the subscriber and the notifier to
be
>    valid, even if installed via a non-SUBSCRIBE mechanism.
>   

/a


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