Adam,

I agree with you on this. And yet people keep using all these different things for DTMF, with KPML apparently last in the running.

I know my employer currently implements at least *two* non-standard mechanisms for DTMF, plus 4733, in a number of products. Even if we came up with a standard way that had the message conserving properties that seem to be required, it would then it would have to be added along side those.

Perhaps we need a discussion specifically about DTMF - what is happening in the real world, and what the chances are for improving that situation. (Sounds like a bar BOF to me.)

        Paul

Adam Roach wrote:
Dean Willis wrote:
Future event packages would have the option of defining and registering only INVITE dialog usage, only SUBSCRIBE dialog usages, or both.

But even having a structure that encourages that kind of thinking is bad hygiene. Having more than one way to do the same thing in a protocol is the fastest and most powerful way to simultaneously decrease interoperability and increase implementation burden.

Implementations need to either include all possible mechanisms (I just love telling developers that they get to do RFC 4733, KPML, *and* INFO if they want to convey DTMF), or they end up not working with everything out there. Either outcome is seriously unfortunate.

/a


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