Tonny,

I believe the non-subscribe dialog wording in 3265 was included to
accommodate REFER. It also seems that in retrospect people wish that
exception had not been made. So planning to create a non-subscribe
subscription for some other purpose would most likely be a mistake.

A key requirement is that both parties need to agree that the
subscription is being created and how the dialog is established. (There
must be a dialog.)

IMO the expiration time for the implicit subscription is one of the
messy parts of the implicit subscription. I don't know of good solutions
for it.

        Paul

Tonny Kung wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I have some questions regarding the non-SUBSCRIBE mechanism that's
>  allowed in RFC3265 to create a subscription. I hope someone could clarify
>  what is correct/allowed by the RFC.
> 
> 1) Considering it is allowed to create an implicit subscription with
>  REFER, then I assume an Event package can define any method to create a
>  subscription?
> 
> 2) Regarding the duration of the subscription. Is it ok to tie the
>  duration to other application state of the dialog?
> For example, if an implicit subscription is created with an INVITE
>  dialog, is it allowed to terminate the subscription when the INVITE dialog
>  is released? Or do we have to received NOTIFY with
>  Subscription-State=terminated?
> 
> 
> Thanks for your time.
> 
> Best regards,
> Tonny
> 
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