> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of Adam Roach
> Sent: 13 March 2008 22:38
> To: Dean Willis
> Cc: IETF SIP List
> Subject: Re: [Sip] The thing we're missing in the RFC 4474 
> and DTLS-SRTPdiscussion
> 
> I'll reiterate my key point here at the top: we cannot retroactively 
> change the behavior of deployed user agents. All we can do is 
> make sure 
> what we're proposing doesn't make do stupid and/or useless things.
> 
> More inline.
> 
> On 3/13/08 6:26 PM, Dean Willis wrote:
> >
> > On Mar 13, 2008, at 1:58 PM, Adam Roach wrote:
> >
> >> On 3/13/08 11:59 AM, Dean Willis wrote:
> >>> We could fix this by having gateways encode their 
> identity using a  
> >>> reserved userpart. This has to have the  property of 
> saying "Do not  
> >>> display this as caller-ID". Using "sip:domain" or "sip:ipaddress" 
> >>> does  not work, as those might actually be valid URIs that be be 
> >>> displayed  as IDs.
> >>>
> >>
> >> That's the problem I have -- if the calling party reported by the 
> >> PSTN has been completely pulled out of the "From" header 
> field, then 
> >> you'll have very bad interaction with currently deployed phones. I 
> >> don't think that's a reasonable trade-off. That's why I 
> think this...
> >
> > That;s why John proposed P-AI-ID as the Caller-ID source.
> 
> 
> The phone on my desk would treat that like any other unknown 
> header, and 
> ignore it.
[JRE] Many phones do recognise P-Asserted-Identity and use that in
preference to an unsigned From URI. It is difficult to find a solution
that will not upset any existing deployed device, but we can at least
try to make it work acceptably with a sizeable population.

John
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