On Apr 14, 2008, at 2:29 PM, Eric Rescorla wrote:
>
> I certainly think this is potentially worth pursuing, but as far
> as I can tell, Dean was talking about calls transiting the PSTN,
> where none of this stuff applies.
>

I'm talking about calls coming from the PSTN and onto the Internet.  
For the part of the call that spans the internet, we wish to have  
privacy and integrity protection on the media channel.

For providing privacy and integrity protection on the media channel,  
we have DTLS-SRTP.

Privacy and integrity on the media channel are, it seems, dependent on  
at least integrity in the signaling channel. This is an advantage over  
SDES, which required both privacy and integrity in the signaling  
channel.

RFC 4474 is used to provide integrity on the signaling channel.

We've agreed that calls coming from PSTN gateways cannot initially use  
RFC 4474 (requiring RFC 4916). Therefore, their signaling is not  
initially integrity protected end-to-end (although hop-by-hop  
mechanisms, such as TLS, might be applied). Consequently, they are  
subject to MITM attacks that do not affect non-gateway calls.

What we're arguing about is whether or not anything can be done about  
this.

--
Dean
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