Hi Dean,

How would the keep-alives work for 3rd party registration? How would I
know that you have registered me, and that I now have to send
keep-alives (and where I would have to send the keep-alives)? 

And, how would you know if the flow that you have registered for me
fails, in which case you should establish a new flow for me?

Regards,

Christer


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Dean Willis
Sent: 17. lokakuuta 2008 17:36
To: SIP IETF
Subject: [Sip] Question on non-outbound registrations in outbound

The current draft says:
4.2.3.  Non Outbound Registrations

    In an initial registration, a User Agent MUST NOT include a reg-id
    header parameter in the Contact header field if the registering UA
is
    not the same instance as the UA referred to by the target Contact
    header field.  (This practice is occasionally used to install
    forwarding policy into registrars.)

    A UAC also MUST NOT include an instance-id feature taf or reg-id
    Contact header field parameter in a request to un-register all
    Contacts (a single Contact header field value with the value of
"*").

This strikes me as odd in several ways.

The reg-id lets us know "which registration we are talking about". The
instance-id lets us know "which specific UA-appearance we are talking
about".
So for a 3rd-party registration, it might be useful to have reg-id or
instance-id values. Assume for example a voice-mail server that
registers a low q-value contact for an AOR, so that calls will
eventually reach it in a no-answer scenario. Withdrawing just those
specific registrations would seem to require a selection mechanism from
the set of registrations, and reg-id would appear to satisfy this need.


In a different use case, assume a 3rd party registration is used to
install forwarding policy. The use of an instance-id in such a
registration would seem to allow the forwarding policy to target one
specific instance of the set of contacts registered to the target. In
other words, not "forward the call to sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED]", but "forward
the call to sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED]'s cell phone".

Now it's entirely possible that neither of these scenarios actually
work. But I don't see in the discussion of outbound anything about WHY
they wouldn't work, which means that the requirements language (the MUST
in outbound) is unsupported. I don't like unsupported requirements in a
specification.
--
Dean

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