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I don't like this idea.  I think that you are on a slippery slope and I
think it's not that hard. 

I'm not implementing reload at the moment, so I can't speak from experience
in this instance.

Brian

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Bruce Lowekamp
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 3:34 PM
To: p2psip
Subject: [P2PSIP] adding tcp-test option to reload

There has been significant conversation around whether requiring both
TLS and ICE for a minimally functional reload implementation is too
big of a hurdle during development.  Most developers first implement
something without these two components first regardless, but they need
to solve nodes exchanging identifiers (without TLS) on their own and
their protocols are not interoperable for testing purposes.  The
reload authors would like to propose adding the following text, or
something similar, to introduce a tcp test mode options:

         TCP Test Mode is a transport based on TCP but no security
         layer. It SHOULD NOT be used in any production environment as it
         has many security vulnerabilities. It is meant only as simple test
         mode to facilitate testing and interoperability before moving to
         full TLS. When a new TCP session of this type is formed, both ends
         of the connection MUST write their binary Node-ID to the wire
         before sending any other messages over the session. This allows
         both sides to discover the Node-ID of the other side and use this
         in a similar way to the Node-ID discovered when using TLS or DTLS
         from the certificate in the TLS handshake. This mode MUST not be
         used unless the configuration for the overlay instance
         specifically allows it.

Bruce
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