Perhaps I'm being misled by the subject line. I thought this discussion arose from the DERIVE work -- for which "what a UA *should* do" is highly irrelevant. The only thing that matters for DERIVE is "what deployed UAs *actually* do." And given that *we* don't even know the answer to the *first* question, I would put my money on betting the answer to the second one is all over the map.

But, if we're having the argument...

Paul Kyzivat wrote:

On that basis, I can see a 403 response if the dialog id isn't valid and the subscriber has no intrinsic authorization to subscribe.

I understand the reasoning behind 481 but I am a *bit* troubled by it. It is a distinct semantic for 481, though one that is unambiguous. But 481 already has three distinct meanings, so adding another doesn't seem like a great idea.

I agree with Paul, with one minor revision: I would change the final clause of his final sentence to "...so adding another seems like a really, really bad idea."

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