This is a Global Technologies Associates, but do you really think any
other firewall DOESN'T have issues?   At least it failed closed.


Granted, this was some years ago, but we first started looking at
firewalls, we found that Counterpane (not Counterpath!) had done a
head-to-head lab test of about a dozen different firewalls, including
Checkpoint, Cisco, and a few other big names, and a handful of smaller
names like GTA.
There was only one firewall that they did not find any security
vulnerabilities in.       :)


I provided GTA with a Wireshark trace, and they are already working on
it.


Mike Burden
Lynk Systems, Inc
e-mail: m...@lynk.com
Phone: 616-532-4985



-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Graziano [mailto:tgrazi...@myitdepartment.net] 
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 12:54 PM
To: Burden, Mike; rj...@avaya.com; sipx-users@list.sipfoundry.org
Subject: Re: [sipx-users] Weird eyeBeam / NAT issue

So I know what firewalls to stay away from, what are you running?
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----- Original Message -----
From: sipx-users-boun...@list.sipfoundry.org
<sipx-users-boun...@list.sipfoundry.org>
To: Robert Joly <rj...@avaya.com>; sipx-users@list.sipfoundry.org
<sipx-users@list.sipfoundry.org>
Sent: Thu Feb 11 12:51:33 2010
Subject: Re: [sipx-users] Weird eyeBeam / NAT issue

> Reboots?!  Yikes.  If you go back to the old version of x-lite do
things
> go back to normal?

Yes, it does.   The really bizarre part is that Counterpath says that
both are based on the same codestack.  It's possible that there's
something that's correct in my X-Lite config that's wrong in my eyeBeam
config...  I'm double-checking that.



> I need to be clear on the topology because what you explain does not
> exactly jive with the 'trace' you provided.  Can 192.168.9.1 be
reached
> from 192.111.31.44?  I.e. it I execute 'ping 192.168.9.1' on
> 192.111.31.44, will it work?

The workstation (192.111.31.44) can ping the "private" IP address of the
sipXecs server (192.168.9.1), but the sipXecs server cannot "see" the
private IP address of the workstation (traffic from the workstation
"looks" like it comes from the firewall address -- 192.168.9.254).   The
firewall will create a "virtual crack" to allow the sipXecs server to
reply to packets sent by the workstation.



> Looking at this packet, it seems that your router is performing a NAT
> function on packets from 192.11.31.44 to 192.168.9.1.  More
> specifically, a SIP packet sent from 192.11.31.44 to 192.168.9.1 will
be
> handled by your firewall's NAT function and the source IP address for
> that packet will be changed from 192.11.31.44 to 192.168.9.254. I was
> not expecting a NAT function to be turned on in the Protected
> Network->DMZ direction (but I expect it in the other direction).
>
> To me, this looks like a misconfiguration on the router but then again
> I'm no DMZ authority :)  Having said that, despite that potential
> misconfiguration, things such just chug along but they are not.  I
would
> definitely start by looking at the NAT configuration and make sure
that
> you do not having 'looping NAT rules' (i.e. A maps to B, B maps to A).
> If that does not resovle the issue, you'll have to post more
> comprehensive logs/traces.

Workstations need to initiate communications with servers.   Servers
usually don't need to initiate communication with workstations.
>From innermost to outermost, the network is:   Protected (Workstations)
<--> DMZ (Internet Servers) <--> Public (Internet).   NAT is applied
outbound.

Our firewall's interface either applies NAT for a given pair of hosts or
doesn't... there is no way in this interface to apply a 2nd (or 3rd or
4th) NAT to any packet.



My gut feeling at the moment is that sipXecs handles NAT between itself
and the ITSP fine, but it doesn't expect NAT between itself and the
phones.
I'm going to run a sipXtrace, but I suspect that it may be necessary to
disable NAT between the workstation and the sipXecs server.

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