On 29/09/2015 22:19, Avery Payne wrote:
Well, it won't be in officially, but it's still possible as a 3rd party set of packages. If nosh can make packages for Debian, then it's possible to get s6-rc/s6 packaged.
Sure, but Jonathan himself made the nosh packages for Debian. He's to be commended for it, but I'm sure as hell not going to do the same with s6 and s6-rc - it's a slippery slope to maintaining packages for every distribution on Earth, which is insane, unbounded, ungrateful work.
Just curious, why? Frankly, I think the only holdup for Devuan would be in having shims in the form of scripts that will be called from apt-get; the shims would be wrappers over something that would "do the right thing" for whatever init/supervision pair is installed.
It's probably still too early to tell. What I can see from my presence in DNG is that the user base, contrary to what I thought, is not very technical; a majority of them don't even understand the point of supervision, or have preconceived ideas that it's a bad thing. They're here because they don't like systemd for such or such non-technical reason - and they're usually right, but I expected to find allies on the technical front, not only the political one. It's the users though; I don't have access to the developer list. I hope to be able to talk with the Devuan developers more when they have released the first version.
Just FYI, I looked at Alpine the other day and discovered they are using OpenRC.
Yes, they are, and it's far from a bad thing - I don't like the way OpenRC is implemented, but I think it has most ideas right. Some Alpine devs are open to experiments with alternative init/rc systems though, and will discuss it after the next release in early October, and I'll be there. Serendipity! -- Laurent
