On 15 Apr 2008, at 1:10 PM, Ivan Werning wrote: > Thanks for the great release. I love my zooming with the pinch! > > I had trouble with the updater not unmounting the disk (and then it > told me I could not unmount it when I tried manually saying I had an > app running and I didn't! I close every app). But I don't know if this > is a general problem. >
I've seen problems with Apple thinking a file or app in a mounted disk being in use when one with the same name is running. I've reported that as a bug to Apple, but it's hard to reproduce. > I also had a request: can I get the old navigation keys back? I would > think moving a note should require a modifier, not navigation since: > No. See the bug report. > 1. this is the behavior in virtually all PDF viewers and users are > used to that > It's not the default shortcut for sure. > 2. many times you deal with a file without notes, but you always have > to navigate. > And there are many more things you can say, but there simply are just a limited amount of shortcuts available. And using the same shortcut for two different actions is confusing and wrong. Also note that arrows usually scroll, so that would be three functions here. Thats also a big reason it's not the default shortcut. > 3. Finally, the new behavior seems inconsistent with the Presentation > View where modifiers are not required (note: it would be a total > disaster to require modifiers there given the use of clckers!) > There is no other shortcut available. Command-arrow is the default shortcut on Mac for moving through pages. In some cases just arrow is a convenience shortcut, but it can only work when it is available. And in Skim it's not available. Presentation mode is totally different, and most shortcuts are disabled. There are also a few other one-key shortcuts that normally we don't want to support at all. In Presentation mode this is a convenience shortcut that here is available. > 4. ...and with the behavior in normal view or full screen once you are > zoomed in enough that the page is wider than the screen, since at that > point the arrow keys allow you to move left and right (it seems > natural to me that this happens, but then it seems natural that when > the page fits on the width the same action shifts to the other page). > What happens with the conflict here? > As I said above, that is indeed the default behavior of arrow keys. Not just in Skim, but in any scrollable view. So indeed, that would be a conflict, and a big reason it cannot be used for navigating. > As a compromise: Can't we just have the behavior depend on whether a > note is selected? Or can there be a preference option added? > > -Ivan > That's confusing. As I said above, that's 3 functions depending on subtle conditions (is there a selected note, which you may not even see, is there a horizontal scroller). That's too confusing and wrong. So this is not possible. End of discussion. Christiaan > On Apr 15, 2008, at 5:12 AM, Christiaan Hofman wrote: >> The Skim development teams is pleased to announce that Skim 1.1.3 is >> available for download at <http://skim-app.sourceforge.net/> or using >> the built-in updater. >> >> Thanks to those of you who submitted reproducible bug reports and >> comments along with the exception reports; as always, please continue >> to submit bug reports at <http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=192583 >>> . >> >> For those interested in what is new and fixed, release notes follow. >> >> Changes since 1.1.2 >> >> New Features >> * Allow copying text for multiple notes from the note tables. >> * Remember snapshot window locations when rebuilding snapshots on >> reload and reopening a file. >> * Allow opening PDFs with any unrecognized file extension. >> * Much more efficient undo implementation. >> * Add Czech localization (thanks Czech X Team!). >> * New hidden preference to disable automatic update of the >> contents of circle and box notes. >> * Support links to locations in other PDF files. >> * Apple Remote now scrolls faster. >> * New toolbar buttons for display mode. >> * Allow selecting text inside a highlight. >> * You can now add new favorite colors using option-drag, and >> remove them by dragging to the trash. >> * You can now set the fill color of circles and boxes using drag >> and drop by holding down the Option key. >> * Use system font panel to choose default fonts, allows choosing >> font with traits. >> >> Bugs Fixed >> * Allow removing selection from a search in certain tool modes. >> * Avoid warning when saving PDF bundle on Leopard. >> * Fix a crasher when cropping pages. >> * Properly include start/end point for line notes in FDF export. >> * Revert selected image copying behavior on Tiger, to avoid a >> PDFKit bug. >> * Don't use arrow buttons without modifiers to navigate pages, as >> this is used to move notes. >> * Fix French translation error. >> * Enable pinch-zoom for multi-touch trackpads. >> * Never clear text contents of a circle or box note when it does >> not enclose any text. >> * Trim whitespace and newlines from text in tool tips. >> * Fix adding notes in AppleScript. >> * Use correct action for menu form of Print toolbar item. >> * FDF export now should always work, but may drop non-ASCII >> characters. >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.net email is sponsored by the 2008 JavaOne(SM) Conference >> Don't miss this year's exciting event. 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