Hi,
will try to answer last posts later tonite,
regards,
Rolf
Am 27.01.2009 um 16:14 schrieb Christiaan Hofman:
So I argued that Skim cannot save these tags, and therefore also
cannot edit them. Therefore I really don't see much reason for Skim
to support these tags. Certainly I don't think it weighs against
compromising the UI in the notes pane. So why would you think it'd
be useful?
Christiaan
On 25 Jan 2009, at 9:00 PM, Rhet Turnbull wrote:
>have serious unexpected results. E.g. any change to the tags
outside Skim (e.g. by
I certainly see how this could be a problem. I'd be willing to live
with it but it might bite some users. Would you consider read-only
display in Skim, e.g. in a Get Info panel or better yet, the notes
drawer? I think the more developers adopt a common metadata
standard, the better!
Regards,
Rhet
On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Christiaan Hofman <[email protected]
> wrote:
On 25 Jan 2009, at 4:53 PM, Rhet Turnbull wrote:
The developers behind Yep & Leap (two excellent apps for tagging/
organzing PDFs and other files) have released an open source
tagging framework for Mac based on extended attributes called Open
Meta. I believe this solves many of the problems inherent in the
various tagging applications on the Mac. As a heavy user of both
Yep and Skim, I would *love* to see Skim add integrated support
for Open Meta tags. The ability to view tags as well as modify
them in Skim would be helpful. This could be accomplished with
applescripts from Skim but an integrated approach would be much
nicer and the fact that they use extended attributes should play
nicely with Skim's architecture. The code is available and is
released under Apache license. Any thoughts?
Yep & Leap: http://www.yepthat.com/
Open Meta code: http://code.google.com/p/openmeta/
Open Meta manifesto: OpenMeta.pdf
Cheers,
Rhet
Basic support for these tags would indeed be rather easy as Skim
already does the hard part of accessing EAs. However, I doubt
whether it's a good idea to do this. There's a fundamental
difference between Yep/Leap and Skim: the former manages a bunch of
files, and does not own the file data in any way (it only owns
references to the files), while Skim edits the files, and owns the
data for the file in its data model. What this means is that on an
edit of the tags, Yep/Leap can directly change the metadata of the
file, while in Skim you'd only edit the data in Skim's memory
space. In Skim, the metadata would be written to file only when the
document is saved, and it's read only when Skim opens or reverts
the document. I hope you see the difference. this could have
serious unexpected results. E.g. any change to the tags outside
Skim (e.g. by Yep) while the PDF is open in Skim will be lost when
Skim saves the PDF. If you're not aware that Skim manages these
tags, this would lead to unexpected data loss. Is this acceptable?
I doubt it.
Christiaan
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