Thanks for your reply, Jan.
When I wrote "unsearchable" I was simply referring to the interface practice
that I use most frequently in dealing with such PDFs. That is, using the
command+f option to search for a particular sequence of characters, or in the
case of DevonThink, searching the text of the document alongside that of others
in aggregate form.
As you allude to, the problem is actually greater than this. Though I can
select and even highlight text in this file for annotation, attempts to copy it
end up in some sort of strange tab-like space being entered in the paste area.
This can only be deleted by removing textual elements on either side of it.
(That is, it can't simply be backed-over and deleted--in such attempts, the
cursor just won't move.) No characters display in the copied "text," just a
space that might be about 20 characters (an estimate) long.
If this is a frequent problem with the PDFKit I guess I should count myself
lucky. Any ideas on what makes a particular PDF more likely to display such
behavior? (This particular error is very repeatable with this particular file.)
Best wishes,
Josh
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> What do you mean by "unsearchable"?
> Can you select text from the file? Can you copy?
> If you copy text from the file into a text document, does it display
> correctly or are the characters scrambled?
>
> I've come across the latter when modifying scanned and OCR'ed PDFs in
> Preview. For some reason PDFKit frequently screws up the character mapping
> of scanned pdfs. This has been a problem for probably a decade now and
> Apple has been unable to fix it.
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> Jan
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> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 3:40 AM, Josh Carney <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > Thanks for your reply, Christiaan. In answer to your question, yes, that's
> > just what I meant. In terms of the PDFKit it looks like you're right: I
> > replicated the issue with Preview and I don't get the issue with Acrobat
> > Pro. I'm very glad to hear this is an exception, though I'm still curious
> > to know if others have experienced a similar problem. I'm wondering if
> > there's a way to anticipate what PDFs might be prone to this sort of
> > behavior.
> >
> > Josh
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > My apologies in advance if this has been covered before. I didn't find
> > it discussed in my forum search under the terms I selected.
> > >
> > > I have at least one PDF (an article downloaded from project muse) that
> > becomes unsearchable after I save with the"export - as PDF - with embedded
> > notes" option. That is, after I attempt to shift from Skim format to a
> > format in which my annotations are available to other PDF applications. For
> > those who might be interested and have access, the article is available at
> > this link:
> > >
> > https://muse.jhu.edu/journals/journal_of_middle_east_womens_studies/v005/5.2.barzilai-lumbroso.pdf
> > >
> > > The issue is repeatable with this item, but is not occurring with some
> > of the other articles I recently worked with. That said, it has me
> > concerned, as I only became aware of the phenomenon when searching this
> > particular article. I generally annotate, export as PDF, and store my
> > articles in the DevonThink Pro Office database, where I often search them
> > in aggregate rather than on an article-by-article basis. So I might not
> > know if there are other instances of similar behavior.
> > >
> > > Is this behavior familiar and, if so, do you have any suggestions for
> > dealing with it? For the time being I will re-annotate this particular PDF
> > in Acrobat Pro or another program, since I need to have the annotations
> > visible across a variety of platforms, but I would prefer to stick to the
> > Skim-based workflow that I have.
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance for any thoughts you might be able to offer.
> > >
> > > Josh
> >
> > Do you mean that when you open a file that was exported with embedded
> > notes it becomes unsearchable? I have not heard about that. But it is also
> > something we cannot do anything about. It's really Apple's problem. That is
> > because the PDF is saved by Apple's PDFKit, which for us is a black box, we
> > have no influence over how that is done, and regularly has problems (that's
> > an important reason why we don't use it by default.) For sure, this must be
> > an exception. Also, it would be true for other PDFKit based apps, like
> > Preview.
> >
> > Christiaan
> >
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