Dear Joseph, I appreciate your statements and your feelings but i dont accept the logic behind most of these statements. Please read below my response to each of your statements.
Thanks & Regards Sahir basha On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 11:27 AM, JOSEPH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > DEAR ALL > > *OUR ANCESTORS DEFINED GOD, ACCORDING TO THEIR IMAGINATION; MAY BE > COMPARING SOME OF THE GOD MAN IN THIS WORLD. - **Ancestors have imagined > something about God. But this is not applicable for Islam. We believe Quran > was revealed by God himself(Read it if you want this to be proved). The > scientific facts and wonderful logics behind the Quran itself stands as a > proof for having revealed directly by God.* > > > > IT IS NOT GOOD THAT WE HAVE TO CIRCLE INSIDE THE SAME WELL OF EPICS OR > GREAT GRANTHAS FOR EVER…WE SHOULD USE OUR OWN BRAIN AND THINK BEYOND THE > WELL, AS THE UNIVERSE YOU KNOW, CAN NOT END ANYWHERE…. IT GOES AND GOES…AND > OUR THOUGHT TO SHOULD ALSO GO ON ON AND ON……..- *Yes, Absolutely. We don't > need to circumambulate on the same epics. what we need to do is, Go and read > those Great epics and understand what is said in those scriptures. Don't > underestimate any Holy scripture whether it be Vedas, Upanishads, > Bhagwadgitas,Bible or Quran or anything. We must know well about all these > scriptures to prove it wrong. Nowadays people believe that they know a lot > better than their scriptures but they actually not. * > > > > > > NO RELIGION IN THIS WORLD SAID ABOUT THE LIFE IN OTHER PLANETS…. WE HAVE > COUNTLESS STARS LIKE OUR STAR SUN…. AND THERE SHOULD BE COUNTLESS PLANET, > WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY HAVING LIFE LIKE OUR EARTH…. THAT'S WHY WE ARE GETTING > SOME NEWS ABOUT FLYING SAUCERS….ALIENS!!!*- If you read Quran, you will > know that God has revealed the characters of all the planets, from which we > can know whether life exists in these planets or not. Again, Don't take > science and measure it with religion, instead, take religion and measure it > with science. Because Science always takes U turns.* > > > > > > *PLEASE DO NOT DEFINE THE POWER OF GOD, JUST AS DEFINED BY SOMEBODY!!!! > **- No one can define the power of God, because God has power over all the > things.* > > > > DO YOU KNOW WHAT IS THE SIZE OF THIS UNIVERSE???? THEN CAN YOU EXACTLY > DEFINE GOD???? *- Again, read your religious scripture to get the answer > for this. The definition of God has not been said in any religion except > Islam. God himself defines him in Ch:112 The Most Concise Definition of > God: > > The most concise definition of God in Islam is given in the four verses of > Surah Ikhlas which is Chapter 112 of the Qur'an: > > "Say: He is Allah, > The One and Only. > "Allah, the Eternal, Absolute. > "He begets not, nor is He begotten. > And there is none like unto Him." > [Al-Qur'an 112:1-4] > > The word 'Assamad' is difficult to translate. It means 'absolute > existence', which can be attributed only to Allah (swt), all other existence > being temporal or conditional. It also means that Allah (swt) is not > dependant on any person or thing, but all persons and things are dependant > on Him. > > > The most concise definition of God in Islam is given in the four verses of > Surah Ikhlas which is Chapter 112 of the Qur'an: > > "Say: He is Allah, > The One and Only. > "Allah, the Eternal, Absolute. > "He begets not, nor is He begotten. > And there is none like unto Him." > [Al-Qur'an 112:1-4] > > The word 'Assamad' is difficult to translate. It means 'absolute > existence', which can be attributed only to Allah (swt), all other existence > being temporal or conditional. It also means that Allah (swt) is not > dependant on any person or thing, but all persons and things are dependant > on Him. > > Surah Ikhlas - the touchstone of theology: > Surah Ikhlas (Chapter 112) of the Glorious Qur'an, is the touchstone of > theology. 'Theo' in Greek means God and 'logy' means study. Thus Theology > means study of God and to Muslims this four line definition of Almighty God > serves as the touchstone of the study of God. Any candidate to divinity must > be subjected to this 'acid test'. Since the attributes of Allah given in > this chapter are unique, false gods and pretenders to divinity can be easily > dismissed using these verses. > What does Islam say about 'god-men'? > India is often called the land of 'god-men'. This is due to the abundance > of so-called spiritual masters in India. Many of these 'babas' and 'saints' > have a large following in many countries. Islam abhors deification of any > human being. To understand the Islamic stand towards such pretenders to > divinity, let us analyze one such 'god-man', Osho Rajneesh. > Let us put this candidate, 'Bhagwan' Rajneesh, to the test of Surah Ikhlas, > the touchstone of theology: > i) > The first criterion is "Say, He is Allah, one and only". Is Rajneesh one > and only? No! Rajneesh was one among the multitude of 'spiritual teachers' > produced by India. Some disciples of Rajneesh might still hold that Rajneesh > is one and only. > ii) > The second criterion is, 'Allah is absolute and eternal'. We know from > Rajneesh's biography that he was suffering from diabetes, asthma, and > chronic backache. He alleged that the U.S. Government gave him slow poison > in prison. Imagine Almighty God being poisoned! Rajneesh was thus, neither > absolute nor eternal. > iii) > The third criterion is 'He begets not, nor is He begotten'. We know that > Rajneesh was born in Jabalpur in India and had a mother as well as a father > who later became his disciples. > > > In May 1981 he went to U.S.A. and established a town called > 'Rajneeshpuram'. He later fell foul of the West and was finally arrested and > asked to leave the country. He came back to India and started a commune in > Pune which is now known as the 'Osho' commune. He died in 1990. The > followers of Osho Rajneesh believe that he is Almighty God. At the 'Osho > commune' in Pune one can find the following epitaph on his tombstone: > > "Osho – never born, never died; only visited the planet Earth between 11th > December 1931 to 19th January 1990." > > They forget to mention that he was not granted visa for 21 countries of the > world. Can a person ever imagine 'God' visiting the earth, and requiring a > visa to enter a country! The Archbishop of Greece said that if Rajneesh had > not been deported, they would have burnt his house and those of his > disciples. > > (iv) > The fourth test, which is the most stringent is, "There is none like unto > Him". The moment you can imagine or compare 'God' to anything, then he (the > candidate to divinity) is not God. It is not possible to conjure up a mental > picture of the One True God. We know that Rajneesh was a human being, having > two eyes, two ears, a nose, a mouth and a white flowing beard. Photographs > and posters of Rajneesh are available in plenty. The moment you can imagine > or draw a mental picture of an entity, then that entity is not God. > > > Many are tempted to make anthropomorphic comparisons of God. Take for > instance, Arnold Schwarzenegger, the famous body builder and Hollywood > actor, who won the title of 'Mr. Universe', the strongest man in the world. > Let us suppose that someone says that Almighty God is a thousand times > stronger than Arnold Schwarzenegger. The moment you can compare any entity > to God, whether the comparison is to Schwarzenegger or to King Kong, whether > it is a thousand times or a million times stronger, it fails the Qur'anic > criterion, "There is none like unto Him". > > Thus, the 'acid test' cannot be passed by anyone except the One True God. > > The following verse of the Glorious Qur'an conveys a similar message: > > "No vision can grasp Him > But His grasp is over > All vision: He is > Above all comprehension, > Yet is acquainted with all things." > [Al-Qur'an 6:103] > * > > ** > > AND CAN YOU SAY WHAT HE EXPECT FROM US???? NOTHING!!! HE LOVED YOU AND > YOU SHOW YOUR LOVE TO OTHERS!!! > > > > *IS IT GOOD TO DO BAD FOR OTHERS IN THE NAME OF GOD??? **- Certainly I > agree. It is not good to do bad for others in the name of God. If anyone > does that, then he is a real believer of God.* > > *AND IS IT GOOD TO DAMAGE HAPPINESS OF OTHERS, WHICH IN TURN SPOIL YOUR > HAPPINESS!!!* > > *E.G; CAN YOU LIVE A HAPPY LIFE BY FIGHTING WITH YOUR HUSBAND > EVERYDAY???? **NO!!! THEN WHY WITH SOCIETY, COUNTRY???* > > > > DID GOD HIMSELF COME TO THE WORLD AND SAID SOMEONE, ABOUT HIMSELF, AS A > DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE ??? NO!!! > > > > *LIVE FOR A GOOD LIFE BY MAKING A GOOD LIFE FOR OTHERS, AFTER ALL WE ARE > WORKING HARD AND LIVING FOR OTHERS!!!! * > > * * > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *JOSEPH > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 09, 2008 9:45 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* RE: Editor Mumbai (Times of India) > > > > DEAR ALL > > > > POK IS PART OF OUR COUNTRY. AND MOST OF THE TERRORIST NETWORKS ARE ACTIVE > IN POK. > > WHY THE INDIAN GOVERNMENT IS KEEPING SILENT??? > > > > ARE THEY NOT ABLE TO GET BACK ATLEAST POK!!! > > > > With regards > > > > Joseph > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *HIMMAT B HIRAN > *Sent:* Monday, December 08, 2008 10:31 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: Editor Mumbai (Times of India) > > > > Dear Mr. Bajaj > > I stand with you and request you to forward it to all news papers and > electronic media and also to mr. Prime Minister. > > > > This will atleast realied that how they are placed in the heart of the > peoples of India. > > > > THANKS & REGARDS > > > > CA HIMMAT B HIRAN > H B HIRAN & ASSOCIATES > C-1008-1009, 1ST FLOOR, STATION PLAZA, > STATION ROAD, BHANDUP(WEST), > MUMBAI -400078. > 022-25662253 > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Bharat Salian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > *To:* [email protected] > > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 02, 2008 1:02 PM > > *Subject:* Editor Mumbai (Times of India) > > > > > > LETTER TO THE PRIMEMINISTER > > > Dear Mr. Prime minister > I am a typical mouse from Mumbai. In the local train compartment which has > capacity of 100 persons, I travel with 500 more mice. Mouse at least squeak > but we don't even do that. > Today I heard your speech. In which you said 'NO BODY WOULD BE SPARED'. I > would like to remind you that fourteen years has passed since serial bomb > blast in Mumbai took place. Dawood was the main conspirator. Till today he > is not caught. All our Bollywood actors/actresses, our builders, our Gutka > kings meets him but your Government cannot catch him. Reason is simple; all > your ministers are hand in glove with him. If any attempt is made to catch > him everybody will be exposed. Your statement 'NOBODY WOULD BE SPARED' thus > is nothing but a cruel joke on this unfortunate people of India. > Enough is enough. As such, after seeing terrorist attack carried out by > about a dozen young boys, I realize that if the same thing continues days > are not that far away when the terrorists will attack by air, destroy our > nuclear reactors and there will be more of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in India. > We the people of this country are left with only one mantra. Womb to Bomb > to Tomb. You promised Mumbaikar Shanghai and all what you have given us is > Jalianwala Baug. Your colleagues and friends must have really worked hard > day and night to achieve this! > Today, only your home minister has resigned. What took you so long to kick > out this joker? The only reason was that he was loyal to Gandhi family and > carrying out the policies of the Congress. Loyalty to Gandhi family is more > important than blood of innocent citizens, isn't it? > I am born and bought up in Mumbai and a citizen of this city for the last > fifty-eight years. Believe me, corruption in Maharashtra is worse than that > in Bihar or elsewhere in this world. Look at all the politicians, Sharad > Pawar, Chagan Bhujbal, Narayan Rane, Bal Thackray , Gopinath Munde, Raj > Thackray, Vilasrao Deshmukh all are rolling in money. Vilasrao Deshmukh is > one of the worst Chief minister I have seen or anybody could see. His only > business is to increase the FSI every other day, make money and send it to > Delhi so that Congress can liberally spend and fight the next election. Now > this clown has found a new way and will increase FSI for fisherman so that > they can build concrete houses right at the sea shore. Next time, the > terrorists can comfortably live in one of these houses, enjoy the beauty of > sea and then attack Mumbai at their will and convenience. > Recently, I had to purchase house in Mumbai. I met about two dozen > builders.. Everybody wanted about 30% in black. A common person like me > knows this and with all your intelligence agencies & CBI you and your > finance minister are not aware of this. Where is all the black money going? > To the underworld isn't it? Our politicians take help of these goondas to > vacate people by force. I myself was victim of it. If you have time please > come to me, I will tell you everything. > If this has been land of fools, idiots then I would not have ever cared to > write you this letter. Just see the tragedy, on the one side we are reaching > the moon, people are so intelligent and on other side you politicians have > converted nectar into a deadly poison. I am everything Hindu, Muslim, > Christian, Schedule caste, OBC, Muslim OBC, Christian Schedule caste, Creamy > Schedule caste and only what I am not is an INDIAN. You politicians have > raped every part of Mother India by your policies of divide and rule. > Take the example of former president Abdul Kalam. Such an intelligent > person, such a fine human being. You politicians didn't even spare him. Your > party along with the opposition joined hands, because politicians feel that > they are supreme and there is no place for a good human being. > Dear Mr Prime minister you are one of the most intelligent persons, most > learned person. Just wake up, be a real SARDAR. First and foremost expose > all the selfish politicians if you care and can. Ask the Swiss bank to > disclose the names of all the Indian account holders. Give reins of CBI to > an independent agency. Let them find the wolves amongst us. There will be > political upheaval but that will be better than the dance of death that we > are witnessing every day. Just give us ambience where we can work honestly > and without fear. Let there be the rule of law. Everything else will be > taken care of. > Choice is yours Mr. Prime Minister. Do you want to be lead by one person or > you want to lead the nation of 100 Crore people? > Prakash B. Bajaj > Chandralok 'A" Wing, Flat No 104 > 97 Nepean Sea Road > Mumbai 400 036 > Phone 98210-71194 > > > > * > PLEASE READ N FORWARD AS MANY PEOPLE IN YOUR CONTACT LIST* > > > > > > The information in this message is confidential and may be legally > privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this message > by anyone else is unauthorized. 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