Dude, that was awesome! What language is that! Chris.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Quinten Pendle" <pendle...@isat.co.za> To: "'a list for discussing skype and its use with screen accesssoftware.'" <skypeenglish at emissives.com> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 4:49 PM Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] scripts for beta 4 > Apologies all, in my haste I hit the reply button on the wrong message. > Apologies once again. > > -----Original Message----- > From: skypeenglish-bounces at emissives.com > [mailto:skypeenglish-bounces at emissives.com] On Behalf Of David Allen > Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 10:34 PM > To: a list for discussing skype and its use with screen accesssoftware. > Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] scripts for beta 4 > > > Hi Larry and others, > > Pardon if you already know this. In case you don't, you might consider the > internet phone wizard. This way, you can use a normal phone with Skype and > can turn off the global hot keys. > > Cheers, > Dave > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Larry Gassman > To: a list for discussing skype and its use with screen access software. > Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 1:58 AM > Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] scripts for beta 4 > > > Well, as long as everyone seems to be playing programmer regarding > the beta, I wish that once again we could get rid of the escape key > when ending a call. Yes, I know that I can go in and script for > this, but it is very aggravating when speaking to someone and you hit > the escape key and they disappear. > If we're going to make comments about what we like and do not like in > Beta 4 with regard to accessibility, then I'll ad my comets about the > escape key once again. > Thanks. > Larry > At 08:00 PM 6-21-2008, you wrote: > >Pardon my replying in mid-post format instead of top-posting like we > >normally do on lists populated primarily by blind people. I'm > >forwarding this entire message to a Skype guy who's currently sitting > >across a table from me in a Hilton hotel bar. <grin> > > > >On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 07:03:10PM -0700, jim grimsby Jr. wrote: > > > I would first like to start out by commending doug for excellent > work > on > > > the new scripts. You are simply amazing getting a beta version of > the > > > scripts out only three days after the initial release of Beta one is > quite > > > impressive. > > > >They were actually out on the same day as the beta release, but I'm > >afraid that wasn't as amazing as you might think. I started work on > >these weeks ago. <smile> > > > > > That being said I would like to say a few things about the Skype beta > > > itself. > > > I will try to keep most of my comments on accessibility concerns > since > that > > > is the purpose of this list. > > > Skype has switched from a multiple window system and multiple tab > system to > > > a multiple pain system. > > > This being said, the standard keyboard command for switching between > panes > > > is F6 to move forward by pain and shipped F6 to move backward by > pain. > > > They should implement jumping to pains with control and the number > keys. > > > With all of the available panes appearing in the view menu. > > > >There are only two panes. The left pane is where the Contact list or > >the Conversation list appear, whichever you choose. Skype natively > >lets you type Alt+1 or Alt+2 to show and focus Contacts or > >Conversations in that pane, respectively. I changed those to Ctrl+1 > >and Ctrl+2 to keep from conflicting with the normal Alt+numbers for > >reading chat messages, and I am encouraging Skype to make that change > >internally. The View menu also has options to switch between Contacts > >and Conversations, but again, those are two lists in the left pane, > >only one of which shows up at a time. My recommendation, based on > >yours and on what's already being done, is that F6 and Shift+F6 be > >implemented because they are standard pane-switching commands, but > >that Ctrl+numbers *not* be assigned to jumping to specific panes, as > >they have better uses. > > > >If more than two panes can exist in Skype 4, I don't know it but that > >might change my recommendations a bit. > > > > > The context menu shortcuts should be changed to mean something > useful. > For > > > example, when in the context pane and you right click on > > a contact all of > > > the items for sends spell out the word send. Sorry this is not > > > intuitive. If I want to send an instant message, the intuitive > shortcut > > > would be i. if I want to send a person a file the intuitive shortcut > would > > > be f, and so on. > > > We have the same problem in the menu bar with three items starting > with the > > > letter C. all of them having the shortcut of c. > > > Let the shortcut for Paul be the letter a. Let the shortcut for > > > conversation be the letter C. and let the shortcut for contacts be > the > > > letter o. > > > >Agreed: (1) each shortcut must be unique to make them useful, and (2) > >they should be assigned mnemonically, not aesthetically. Standard > >shortcut assignment rules are to pick the first available letter for > >each option, but this was causing problems of consistency before, like > >Alt+O for Options changing to Alt+P when an item was added above > >Options in the Tools menu, and View Profile in Context menus being V > >in some and W in others. I therefore propose that a mnemonic > >assignment, once assigned, not change as new menu items are > >added--particularly when the already-assigned item is frequently used. > > > > > Put the change your mood text back in the profile menu. After all, > you > > > have add video to my mood. So why not a change your mood text menu > item? > > > >Agreed. > > > > > Remove duplicates > > > For example in the options dialog there are two places to configure > sound > > > and video. They do the same thing one place for this configuration > is > > > enough. > > > Another thing is there is an option to set privacy in the skype menu > this > > > can already be done within the options dialog so having this menu > option is > > > pointless. I am sure you get the idea. > > > >I don't care one way or the other on this, but I suspect > >business/marketing forces drive where menu items appear sometimes. I > >would consider this a low-priority issue. > > > > > In the skype menu you have the option called presence. Short > > cut again is > > > p. > > > And then you have the option called profile, and guess what the > short > cut > > > is p. change presence back to change status. Short cut of s put > > sign out in > > > that sub menu where it belongs. > > > Put change pass word in the profile section where it > > belong. Remove the buy > > > credit menu option it is a link in the account section and there > for > not > > > needed in the skype menu. > > > Put share skype with a friend in the contacts section. After all you > are > > > sharing it with him in Oder to contact him right? > > > >A lot of ideas there, but again, I think we're up against business > >decisions, and I would not urge high priority on these items. > > > > > Rename the tools menu to options. > > > Rename the options dialog to preferences. > > > >I do not think this is a good idea because the existing names have > >been around for a long time and people are used to them. > > > > > More exselorator keys. > > > Like create new contact control+n. > > > Preferences control+p. etc. > > > Or as I said in the past the ability to set global hot keys and local > ones. > > > With defaults set and turned on. > > > >The extra accelerators would be helpful, yes. To explain local vs. > >global hotkeys for the benefit of those who never saw that discussion: > >"Global hotkeys" are what we have now. "Local hotkeys" would only > >work when a Skype window is in focus. I thought this would be too > >confusing for most users, but I'm forwarding the idea for others to > >ponder. > > > > > Doug take these ideas and forward what you think will be helpful > > and discard > > > the rest as usual. > > > >Doing so directly. I will not often do things quite like this, but > >since I am actually out here with Skype developers in person, it seems > >to make sense this weekend. :-) Btw, pardon any typos, I'm typing > >this over the top of some fairly loud music and conversation. > > > >-- > >Doug Lee dgl at dlee.org > >SSB BART > >Group doug.lee at ssbbartgroup.com http://www.ssbbartgroup.com > >"The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them > >to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum > > > >Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for > >the latest version of skype go to > >http://www.dlee.org/skype > >To access tutorials and other goodies go to > >http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html > >thanks and have a wonderful day. > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Skypeenglish mailing list > >Skypeenglish at emissives.com > >http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com > > > Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for the > latest version of skype go to > http://www.dlee.org/skype > To access tutorials and other goodies go to > http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html > thanks and have a wonderful day. > > > _______________________________________________ > Skypeenglish mailing list > Skypeenglish at emissives.com > http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com > Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for the > latest version of skype go to > http://www.dlee.org/skype > To access tutorials and other goodies go to > http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html > thanks and have a wonderful day. > > > _______________________________________________ > Skypeenglish mailing list > Skypeenglish at emissives.com > http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1510 - Release Date: 6/19/2008 > 3:21 PM > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1510 - Release Date: 6/19/2008 > 3:21 PM > > > > Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for the > latest version of skype go to > http://www.dlee.org/skype > To access tutorials and other goodies go to > http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html > thanks and have a wonderful day. > > > _______________________________________________ > Skypeenglish mailing list > Skypeenglish at emissives.com > http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com >
