Hi for perspective it is about the same amount of work to get skype watch working in jaws. One advantage is while you are trying to get the access to the skype api you cannot make an error that will render your screen reader useless. Please note this is not a slur on Doug. I love the skype scripts for jaws don't get me wrong but there are advantages to this method window eyes is using. And quite frankly the way jaws handles global scripts sucks.
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:skypeenglish-bounces at emissives.com] On Behalf Of David Allen Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 2:21 PM To: a list for discussing skype and its use with screen accesssoftware. Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] a note to window eyes 7.0 beta one users. using skype. Hi Doug and list! I'm glad you did it the way you did it. It may be great to get into the Skype API as other programmes like Call burner and the Actiontek phone wizard do. In my experience, the permission dialogue doesn't speak as reliably as it should when it pops up, so knowing I don't have to look for that or work through it seems like a good thing to me. Cheers, Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Lee To: a list for discussing skype and its use with screen access software. Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 1:22 AM Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] a note to window eyes 7.0 beta one users. using skype. Oops, sorry if I seemed confrontational somehow there. I was just explaining to anyone who did not know, or remember, why I didn't do this in JAWS. It's a natural thing to wonder. On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 04:33:53AM -0700, jim grimsby Jr. wrote: Hi Doug we spoke on this subject some time ago. I understand why you did things the way you did and have no disagreement with it at all trust me. You are four times or maybe five times the scripter I am and so I would not even dear to disagree with you even if I did witch I do not. Window eyes does not have this problem. However and it is using vb script to access the information. Also I have no idea if a sounder could be included however I do know the Miranda skype plug in knows when someone is typing and when they have stopped doing so. Also another note is this. if ensted of seeing wecom in the manage program access to skype you see wineyes.exe this is ok just tell it to allow access to skype. Hth -----Original Message----- From: skypeenglish-bounces at emissives.com [mailto:skypeenglish-bounces at emissives.com] On Behalf Of Doug Lee Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 9:29 PM To: a list for discussing skype and its use with screen access software. Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] a note to window eyes 7.0 beta one users. using skype. I don't think the Skype API provides the info necessary to implement a typing sounder. The Skype API is consistent across Skype versions, but it does not provide everything. It should be possible to script for previous message review though. Btw, I did not use the Skype API in the JAWS scripts because of a rather interesting problem: If you lock your computer with Windows+L or Alt+Ctrl+Delete, or if it locks by itself due to a screen saver, and you're running JAWS scripts that use the Skype API via the Skype4COM wrapper, JAWS will not realize that the screen has changed and will continue to tell you that you are in whatever application you were in before the lock. If that application happened to be Internet Explorer, JAWS will continually try to get hold of the IE Document Object Model every time you press a key and will treat your key presses as JAWS Quick Keys, as it normally would in IE. Unfortunately, the attempts to get the IE DOM object cause major delays, and the upshot of all this is that JAWS will become terribly unresponsive, like waiting some ten seconds to announce each key press. You would thus have a very difficult time figuring out that your computer is locked, you need to type a password, Quick Keys are enabled, and you have to type JAWSKey+Z, then your password, then Enter, to get your computer back. Needless to say, I don't consider this an acceptable scenario to foist upon the unsuspecting user of Skype scripts. <grin> On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 09:05:31PM -0700, jim grimsby Jr. wrote: Hello, As everyone now knows the window eyes beta 1 for 7.0 was released yesterday. There is now scripting support for that beta. There is now a skype script that uses the skype API to get access to the information from skype. This has a number of advantages. The API calls will not change very much from version to version. So no matter what happens with the user interface the window eyes scripts will not have to be reworked every time skype changes something. More information can be provided that is not provided threw the tray alerts. For example window-eyes will tell you when a user has signed out what the on line status is etc. The only problem is that you have to do two things to get this to work. First you must install the skype extras manager. This is the default when installing skype. If you don't have this installed you will get a nasty little error message from window-eyes about a vb script run time error. If this happens run the skype setup again. Click the options button and then tab over to install extras manager. Check this box and go ahead with the install like you normally would. Now if you should go in to the advanced section of option never ever ever disable the check box that reads automatically start extras manager. Now when skype starts it should ask if you want to allow wecom to access skype. Select always and press enter. If this does not happen you will not get an error from window-eyes any more but it will not be able to access the skype API. So now we will need to tell skype to do this. To do this open the skype main window. Press alt t for toos and arrow up to options. Press enter here. Now arrow down in the tree tell you find advanced. Ok now tab over to manage programs access to skype. Press space bar. Now you will be in the list of programs that have requested skype access. Now there is a problem with tracking this list gw micro is already aware of this problem and they assure me they are looking in to it. So now what you need to do is press ensert pluss. This will route the mouse to the list box. Now you need to press ensert page up tell you here wecom. Press the slash key to click on this option. If a dialog comes up asking question about wecom like should it be run hidden etc press escape. Now tab over to change and select the option in the list that says allow this program to access skype. Click ok click ok again and click save. Now you will have all the support you need from the skype scripts. Anything you want to see added to the scripts for skype send them to suppot at gwmicro.com. Hope this information is helpful. p.s one thing I would love to see is message review. Meaning the ability to pres a key and see the ten most recent messages. A typing sounder would also be nice indention to hearing the spoken message. Note we will not luse this in beta four with window eyes because the api will still provide this information. Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for the latest version of skype go to http://www.dlee.org/skype To access tutorials and other goodies go to http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html thanks and have a wonderful day. _______________________________________________ Skypeenglish mailing list Skypeenglish at emissives.com http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com -- Doug Lee dgl at dlee.org SSB BART Group doug.lee at ssbbartgroup.com http://www.ssbbartgroup.com "All these years, the people said, 'He's acting like a kid.' He did not know he could not fly, so he did." --Guy Clark, "The Cape" (Dublin Blues) Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for the latest version of skype go to http://www.dlee.org/skype To access tutorials and other goodies go to http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html thanks and have a wonderful day. _______________________________________________ Skypeenglish mailing list Skypeenglish at emissives.com http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for the latest version of skype go to http://www.dlee.org/skype To access tutorials and other goodies go to http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html thanks and have a wonderful day. _______________________________________________ Skypeenglish mailing list Skypeenglish at emissives.com http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com -- Doug Lee dgl at dlee.org SSB BART Group doug.lee at ssbbartgroup.com http://www.ssbbartgroup.com "The most exhausting thing in life is being insincere." - Anne Morrow Lindbergh {American Author} Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for the latest version of skype go to http://www.dlee.org/skype To access tutorials and other goodies go to http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html thanks and have a wonderful day. _______________________________________________ Skypeenglish mailing list Skypeenglish at emissives.com http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for the latest version of skype go to http://www.dlee.org/skype To access tutorials and other goodies go to http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html thanks and have a wonderful day. _______________________________________________ Skypeenglish mailing list Skypeenglish at emissives.com http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com
