Oh ok, the count is now 73000. Including hal and system access, the count is
now 73,005.
Matthew
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack" <[email protected]>
To: "screen access software with skype" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 2:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] Skype is written for sighted people
Did you also factor in those who use Window Eyes?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matthew_2010" <[email protected]>
To: "JardataMailServices" <[email protected]>; "screen
access software with skype" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 5:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] Skype is written for sighted people
blind people in whole are a very significant minority when it comes to
computer use. Whether you know it or not, the people you come across on
these lists are just about the best there are out there--not very
comforting
is it? FS has some sort of stat they throw around stating there are
72,000
jaws customers. Compare this with the number of blind people in the US
alone
and common sense should make you rethink your assertions.
Matthew
----- Original Message -----
From: "JardataMailServices" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 12:53 AM
Subject: [Skypeenglish] Skype is written for sighted people
This theme constantly sickens me when it comes to software
development.
Blind people are not a small manority when it comes to computer use.
A
large number of porportion of blind people use computers. With
regards to
skype and their dealing with blind people, I don't see how they could
want
to work with blind people in using their products and do what they do
in
41 and other upgrades. Microsoft changed Office 2003 to Office 2007
and
it is almost totally different interface; how, I have no problems
using
office 2007 because they considered blind users in their product
changes.
It is not less accessible because of the changes; it is just as
accessible
because of them and with the first letter steps, it is even more
accessible. This is how skype should do it. Consider their features
and
make it a choice which interface to use. This is responsible
programming.
I am so tired of blind people telling me that I must accept things the
way
they are just because sighted venders write for sighted people and
blind
people are not considered.
We must stop crawling along and accepting whatever is thrown to us and
start doing things to make venders consider our needs. Blind people
are a
large enough minority to make skype take a look at our needs. If
blind
people did not matter, they would not give anything about our
feelings.
They just don't use this concern to make positive changes; they use it
to
explain why they forget about our needs.
I feel I am being forgotten with skype 41 and, if I can, I will try to
do
something about making a product like skype work for me or impress
upon
skype to add a classic view to their current product. This can be
done
easy enough. One last last thing: I use FTP Voyager and Serv-u; they
had
a very usable classic view in their old products; they changed their
inyterface totally; but, in their view minu, there is one checkbox to
go
back to a total classic view and keep all new changes. This has not
caused any problem for sighted people and I am sure Rhinosoft writes
its
products primarily for sighted people. This is what I am talking
about;
skype can do this, but for some reason they don't.
I am kind of tired of this, as I feel I am not getting anywhere with
skype
and their interface and their lack of concern about my needs. I, like
I
said earlier, will use the product for as long as it is permitted with
38;
skype will determine whether or not I can continue to use their
product.
I may be a manority, but I am a consumer with money to spend and a
need to
use whatever program I want to use.
I am not swayed by that thing of "we blind people should just be
grateful
they even consider us at all." Without scripts, skype would not be
usable
at all; therefore, what has skype done for our benefit? If skype is
so
concerned about our needs, why do script writers have to always fix it
for
them. They should write their program for all people to use it in the
first place. Again, it would not take much programming to put a
complete
classic view as part of their program. Also, I can't believe anyone
had
more trouble with 38 than with 41.
James Robinson
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