Excuse me? For the content to be displayed on the client computer, it
has to be downloaded and decoded. Any obscfucation can only delay itself
from being bypassed and cannot stand forever. DRM is defective by design
- you can't have the consumer to hold the lock and the key and trust
(some of) him not figure out a way to open the lock with the key, not
when he have an incentive to do so.
TLDR: It's not a hole, it's a design choice.
Kakurady / Geneko Nemeth
δΊ 2009/9/11 7:49, Bill Windwalker ει:
If the hole had not been there for so long as it was this will not
have happen in the first place.
It is only by people putting off some thing for so long till the
problem has gotten so big to be seen by so many.
If one thinks by not telling some one that they are nude and walk on
the street that no others will see this then they are wrong.
And what if it was some other company hoping this will have happen?
is it not best to bring it out in the open befor more or even bigger
problems happen?
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*From:* Nexii Malthus <[email protected]>
*To:* Bill Windwalker <[email protected]>
*Sent:* Friday, September 11, 2009 6:54:57 AM
*Subject:* Re: [sldev] RE SnowGlobe and copybots
And don't you realize your providing enormous fuel to the people who
thrive on panic? As well as fuelling scam business selling out on the
panic with anti-copybots that never worked?
- Nexii
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Bill Windwalker
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
so do you feel its ok for people to copy your AV ?
skin , hair and every thing you have ?
is this what you are telling people ?
and watching them copy linden lab builds what ever they wish to copy ?
and think of all the people with xstreet magic box that may have
been copy.
and all this content taken and moved off LL server to what ?
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*From:* Nexii Malthus <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*To:* Bill Windwalker <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*Sent:* Friday, September 11, 2009 2:45:56 AM
*Subject:* Re: [sldev] RE SnowGlobe and copybots
Panic has done more damage than copybots really have done.
That's all.
- Nexii
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Bill Windwalker
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Well it was more then just shoes they taken for they was doing
copybot of the LL Build in korea1 and that build was by the
Linden Lab people them self.
What was the rule about copying assets that belong to Linden
Lab and what if they upload it from the Linden Lab computer
some place on to another companys computer system just to
mirror SL and every thing in SL just to sale it later on to a
bigger company?
what is the over all lost then ?
can it be put in numbers ?
xstorm Radek
----- Forwarded Message ----
*From:* Ann Otoole <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*To:* [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 1, 2009 10:50:46 AM
*Subject:* Re: [sldev] SnowGlobe and copybots
I watched someone using cryolife cruise around in my parcel
this morning where that account was banned so honestly I think
LL has much bigger fish to fry. Stealing a pair of eshoes is
nothing compared to the access control system being
compromised. Yes there is a pjira defect open on it.
http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-4632
Honestly it is looking like the only solution is a bot that
teleports home anyone not using an LL compiled viewer. And
that still won't get them all. But if it is deployed to most
of Second Lifethen it might send a clear message to Linden Lab
they need to deal with the problem. Or will LL begin banning
people for defending themselves from these hacked third party
viewers? Is it against the TOS to deny access to non LL
compiled viewers?
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*From:* nyx linden <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
*To:* Ron Festa <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*Cc:* [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Monday, August 31, 2009 1:52:35 PM
*Subject:* Re: [sldev] SnowGlobe and copybots
Additionally, the technique to stop malicious clients from
stealing
your clothing textures (namely, only sending out baked but not
local
texture data) will be in the main client in the next major
release, as
part of a larger avatar overhaul. The reasons for this extend
beyond
content theft, but stopping this is a major benefit to this
switch in
protocol.
Combating griefing attacks and content theft is not an
easy task,
but we are taking steps to minimize the potential for abuse,
and we try
to have systems in place for what to do when it does occur
(including
dealing with the specific instance of abuse as well as looking
for ways
to prevent future issues). We're always looking for ways of
making the
client secure, and welcome feedback and ideas to help us move
in this
direction.
-Nyx
Ron Festa wrote:
> While its true they can modify the opensource code to turn a
client
> into a copybot, as far as I know there really hasn't been
any known
> copybot viewers that have popped up because there's no code
in the LL
> viewer that allows asset copying. Majority of copybots are
really
> modded poorly written legit bots. While there is a really
obscure
> patch that's floating around griefer circles, most griefers
are not
> programmers. Most do not know how to inject and maintain
custom code
> into the source code then compile it with every version.
>
> But, thanks to the open source viewers floating around you
also have
> an amount of protection from griefers you can't get in the
LL viewer.
> Viewers like Meerkat & Emerald make it impossible for them
to steel
> your clothing and provides additional tools that would
prevent them
> from attacking your or removing them from your property
before they
> become a problem. Plus they have a bunch of fun stuff in
them that
> just make your life easier in SL.
>
> On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 4:15 AM, Bill
> Windwalker<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
> > Good day every one.
> > Yesterday i was a victim of a copybot and a group of griefers.
> > this type of bullying and theft of content needs to stop
they are
> making a
> > joke out of all the hard work people do in SL.
> > As i sat and talk to a friend a griefer had taken only a
sec to copy
> my AV
> > and every thing i had on in a sec and did it to the very
sim i was in.
> > And what they did say in voice made it sound like linden
lab had no
> power to
> > stop any griefer.
> > i even have screen shots of this attack.
> > what im told is they can do it with open source viewers .
> >
> >
> >
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