I think we should move this thread of slugnet. I think most would just
wanna see the final version.. coz at this rate.. they wouldn't visit SLP
:) hehehe..
Elvin
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On Fri, 8 Oct 1999, Ng Kai Hoe Raymond wrote:
> Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 13:13:39 +0800
> From: Ng Kai Hoe Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Alvin Chong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: "Eugene Teo (LUGS)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
LUGS Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [lugs] RedHat 6.1 online FTP install review ( FINAL 2 )
>
> It will be perfect if you can capture a few screenshots
> of your desktop, try changing your theme and capture,
> have a few screenshots of the mp3 players, or the other
> software that comes along with redhat 6.1. Or like Eugene
> you may want to give a rating on what is it like.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Alvin Chong wrote:
>
> > = SORRY =
> > Found some spelling mistakes, must have click wrongly during spell check
> > Read another time, should be alright now.
> >
> > = end =
> >
> > =change from draft 2 =do not publish this part=
> > Removed all personal intro, experience due to comments from Ng Kai Hoe Raymond
> > Added 2 more final note
> > remove some singlish
> > read through it one more time.
> > = end of change=
> >
> > Well seeing others writing reviews on products they try, I also thought of
>contributing my
> > bit to LUGS and also a chance to voice my opinion and share my experience.
> >
> > This review would cover installation of RedHat 6.1 via FTP
> > Due to lack of knowledge, I am unable to capture the screenshots.
> >
> > =Pre Installation Requisite=
> > * I am doing this via Cable Modem with DHCP and FTP
> >
> > 1) Boot Disk
> > Go to ftp://ftp.linux.com.sg/pub/redhat-6.1/i386/images/
> > Download bootnet.img
> > * This support installation from NFS, HTTP and FTP
> > * The boot.img only support install from HDD and CD-ROM
> >
> > Go to ftp://ftp.linux.com.sg/pub/redhat-6.1/i386/dosutils/
> > Download rawrite.exe
> >
> > RUN rawrite.exe
> > enter the location of bootnet.img
> > e.g.: c:\temp\bootnet.img
> > Then enter the location of floppy such as a: or b:
> >
> > You got a Boot disk !
> >
> > = Boot Up =
> > Insert the boot up disk into the floppy drive and then reboot your machine.
> > *Make sure you set floppy as you first boot option in your bios.
> >
> > Then you would see the welcome to Red Hat Linux 6.1 screen
> > The first two options states that hit <ENTER> for graphical mode and second option
>states
> > " text <ENTER> "
> > I chose the first graphical option thus hit <ENTER>
> > Begins Loading.......
> > Then choose language, English for me.
> > Then choose Keyboard, US for me.
> > Installation Method which includes NFS / FTP/ HTTP. I choose FTP
> > Configure TCP/IP
> > I select [ * ] Use Dynamic IP Configuration ( BOOTP/ DHCP) and the following
>fields
> > left blank.
> > IP Address, Netmask, Default Gateway(IP) and primary name server.
> > FTP Setup
> > Site Name : ftp.linux.com.sg
> > RedHat Directory: /pub/redhat-6.1/i386
> > *note it is case sensitive
> > Retrieving.........
> > Loading...........
> >
> > RedHat Linux Welcome screen, click OK
> > Install KDE Workstation
> > There are others such as Gnome Workstation, server..etc and of cause custom for
> > professionals.
> > Automatic Partitioning Continue OR Manually Partition
> > @ READ THE MESSAGE ON SCREEN PROPERLY @
> > Continue would delete any Linux partition ( would not touch your dos partition)
>and auto
> > partition the freespace it finds.
> > For partition of HDD, I choose the automatic as since RH5.2, it would find
> > freespace and auto partition the freespace and install into there withOUT touching
>your
> > current dos/windows partition.
> > *Backups are still recommended*
> >
> > I choose Continue as I know I have tons of freespace.
> > *note : freespace = no partition, no drive, no format, absolutely nothing.
> > Hostname configuration
> > It automatically fills in for me cable.bp.singa.pore.net
> > Mouse Selection, for me I choose Microsoft-Intellimouse (PS/2) and [ ] Emulate 3
>buttons
> >
> > = Comparison=
> > *One solid advantage of SuSE6.2 better than RH 5.1, 5.2 is that my Microsoft
>Intellimouse
> > is supported as a
> > 3 button mouse and thus cut and paste is no sweat.
> > *Saying this, I would like to point out few disadvantage of SuSE6.2
> > @ The list of mouse protocol in Yast is NOT = The list of supporter mouse
>protocol in
> > SAX( Have much more)
> > @ Selecting Intelli Mouse with Wheel PS/2 in SuSE6.2 under yast only result in
>the
> > mouse working fine under console but is out of control in X
> > @ Configuration of Intellimouse in SAX would work in X but NOT in Console,
>thus it is
> > either way :<
> > @ In SAX, choose IMPS2 protocol under EXPERT Mode and NOT Microsoft or
>Intellimouse
> > = End of Comparison=
> >
> > = Major Advantage of RH6.1=
> > Testing after installation show that with above configuration for my intelli
>mouse, my
> > mouse works 100% fine as a 3 button mouse an cut and paste is a luxury.
> > It works both in X and Console.
> > Thus RH6.1 solves the problem I am having in SuSE6.2
> > *For brand new users, don't think cut and paste is no big deal, it is a big deal
>when you
> > need to cut and paste error messages.
> > Two button mouse can paste by emulating 3 button mouse enabled and you have to
>press both
> > at same time but till now I never succeed.
> > =end=
> >
> > Time Zone configuration
> > [ ] Hardware Clock set to GMT
> > Asia/Singapore was selected from the list.
> >
> > Root Password
> > *case sensitive
> >
> > =NEW in RH6.1 as compared to 5.1 and 5.2 =
> > Add User
> > It now explains and make you create a non root account which is useful as like me
>last
> > time, to be spared from those access controls..etc, most would just log in as root
>and do
> > everything with that.
> > Very simple too, very similar to SuSE6.2 Yast but I remember Yast configuration
>had more
> > settings such as access to modem.
> >
> > Add User
> > After creating at least one non root account, it then takes you to create a few
>more and
> > it is as simple as above.
> >
> > =end of new=
> >
> > Reading package information................
> >
> > X probe Results
> > Vide Card: Cirrus Logic GD543X
> > X Server: SVGA
> > Click OK
> >
> > =SuSE 6.2 VS RedHat 5.1, 5.2 and 6.1 in term of X configuration =
> > SuSE6.2 need to learn from this, in SuSE, it is not fully auto, I would say
>quarter auto.
> > It does not goes through the configuration of graphics card during installation
>and does
> > not install the graphics packages even if you choose almost everything.
> > It is only after reboot, go to Yast, it expects you to know you must go install
>the right
> > package for your graphics card which implies you must know your chip is supported
>or not
> > and if yes under which server package beforehand.
> > Even if you try to go SAX before install any graphics packages, sax would not
>inform you
> > that you need to get the package installed.
> > I would prefer it at least for the first time it run, inform user that they need
>to check
> > where and install what then go SAX.
> > ONLY after install the right package then SAX would "auto" detect and select for
>you.
> > = End of Comparison =
> >
> > Installation to begin, Click OK
> > Formatting / file system............
> > /boot ..............
> > /swap .............
> > Package Installation Total 377 packages, 574Mb and EST 30 min.
> >
> > After 30 min...
> >
> > =Post Installation configuration=
> >
> > Monitor setup
> > *Below settings are based on past experience of try and error as my monitor is not
>listed.
> > *You are highly recommended to find the exact technical details from your vendor
>as a
> > wrong setting can burn your monintor
> > Choose Custom
> > Custom Monitor setup, click OK
> > Extended Super VGA 800 x 600 @ 60Hz, 640 x 480 @ 72Hz
> > Vertical Sync Range 50-70
> >
> > Screen Configuration
> > Choose Probe
> > Probing to begin, click OK
> > Finished, it choose 800 x 600 8bit {I wonder why so low even when the message say
>it would
> > choose best option}
> > Anyway, I choose [Let me Choose] and selected 800 x 600 16Bit
> > Starting X test, Click OK if you get to see the message, else just wait for
>timeout and
> > edit your above setting.
> > Start X on reboot, I choose NO { I choose yes before and it does look pretty nice}
> >
> > =NEW in RH6.1 compared to 5.1 and 5.2 =
> > LILO Configuration is 100% automatic
> > I used to select install lilo to master boot record or boot record.
> > In RH6.1, there is no such stage but lilo is still installed into the master boot
>record.
> >
> > *At lilo: enter dos to boot your dos/windoze as normal and Linux or just hit enter
>by
> > default would boot Linux.
> > =End of new in RH6.1=
> >
> > =Lilo configuration in SuSE6.2 VS RH 5.1, 5.2 and 6.1=
> > NOTE : SuSE6.2 expect you to manually configure that lilo for all your OS.
> > You must create one for dos at /dev/hda1 and for anyother OS, I did
>lost my
> > RH5.2 boot option last time as I do not know /dev/hda?
> >
> > For brand new users, this is nightmare
> > =end of lilo in SuSE6.2 =
> >
> > =Missing in RH6.1 as compared to RH5.1 and 5.2 =
> > It no longer creates a rescue disk during installation
> > = End of missing=
> >
> > INSTALLATION 100% COMPLETE :P
> > TOTAL TIME TAKEN 35 MIN.
> > =END of entire installation and configuration =
> >
> > Reboot and first thing I enter at lilo: was.......dos !
> > Must make sure it did not mess up my dos as my work are there.
> > Well it works fine.
> >
> > Then second reboot
> > at lilo: hit enter and by default goes to Linux
> >
> > Then you see a lot of task executing follow by a OK which is similar to SuSE6.2
>Done.
> >
> > Final notes:
> >
> > 1) DHCP works 100% fine in RH5.1, 5.2 and 6.1
> >
> > 2)dhclient in SuSE6.2 does NOT work fine even when it says DONE
> > =Cute and Paste from Danny Mail=
> > dhclient doesn't start in SuSE 6.2.
> >
> > The script /sbin/init.d/dhclient (which is new by the SuSE 6.2) expects
> > the following settings from the variables NETCONFIG="_0" and IFCONFIG_0=""
> > in the /etc/rc.config
> >
> > Although you start the DHCP client via YaST, this variables are not
> > modified, so you have to change them manually
> > =end of Danny's mail =
> >
> > 3) KDE is 1.1.2
> >
> > 4) Xfree86 is 3.3.5
> >
> > 5) I heard a lot about RH6.1 comes with a new graphical installation( I was
>expecting
> > something like Caldera 2.2 or above) but the interface I am having even when I
>choose
> > graphical mode is similar to those in RedHat 5.1 and 5.2
> > I was thinking maybe because it is a online install, the interface was stripped
>down and
> > the graphical mode is only via CD.
> >
> > 6) I remember correctly I choose KDE Workstation but when I enter startx, it goes
>into
> > GNOME with Enlightment and star up is slow, KDE is much faster.
> > Must edit the xinitrc file manually like before when I was using RH5.2
> > *IF you choose Start X on boot, then it have no problem as there is a KDE
>option
> > below*
> > =CUT AND PASTE =
> > http://linux.com.sg/mirrors/www.kde.org/documentation/faq/kdefaq-4.html
> > 4.10 How do I start KDE?
> >
> > The most comfortable method to start KDE is to use the startkde script. Simply put
>the
> > line
> >
> > startkde
> >
> > at the end of your .xsession file (or into your .xinitrc file, if you are not
>using kdm or
> > xdm). Please also remove the lines that started your previous window manager. If
>there is
> > no .xsession or .xinitrc in your home directory, simply create a new one that just
>contain
> > one line saying "startkde" (without the quotes!).
> > =END OF Cut & Paste=
> >
> > There is no .xinitrc or .xsession for RH5.2 and RH6.1
> > I use pico to create a .xinitrc with only startkde in it.
> > Save ( Write out) to /root for root and /home/username for other non root user.
> > startx brings me to KDE directly.
> > You have to put this is your home directly.
> > Home directory does not mean /home
> > it means /root for root and /home/username for any other and every users.
> >
> > *Gnome applications are installed too and booting to Gnome seems just fine, wonder
>what is
> > the difference between Gnome Workstation and KDE Workstation installation.
> >
> > 7) There is a very neat "utility" in SuSE6.2 that start automatically in X after
> > configuration in SAX, it test by starting X and if works, you get to have a UP,
>DOWN, LEFT
> > , RIGHT to enlarge the screen to make full use of the monitor.
> >
> > If anybody knows such a similar utility(graphical one pls. ) in RH 6.1, please
>inform
> > me as currently my X screen had 2 borders on the vertical sides.
> > This problem exist until I installed SuSE6.2
> > It also exist in Windoze.
> > BUT I am able to use full screen in all directions in DOS and Linux CONSOLE.
> >
> > 8) Netscape is 4.61 :<
> >
> > 9) How to create a rescue disk?
> > I still find having a rescue disk safer.
> > It did saved me few times in the past
> >
> > 10) I just found out that the graphical rpm manager glint that I used to use in RH
>5.1 and
> > 5.2 is no longer available in my current, installation.
> > Found GnomeRPM and Kpackage which seem to subsitude the glint.
> > Have yet to figure out how to use.
> >
> > 11) Try to launch control panel gives me a error with type = in config ?
> >
> > Overall, other than note 7 on the screen problem, there is nothing SuSE6.2 win
>RedHat 6.1
> > in terms of installation and basic hardware support and configuration.
> > Would not comment on other stuff beyond basic installation and configuration of
>basic
> > necessary hardware such as graphics, mouse, cable modem.
> >
> > All views are my personal views.
> > No offends to supporters of other distributions such as SuSE
> > All selections and configuration are based on my own machine thus it does not mean
>with
> > above settings, it would work fine on your machine.
> >
> > Have fun !
> >
> > Hope you like it.
> >
> > Regards
> > Alvin Chong
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> >
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> Manager, R&D, Research and Development, Telford Solutions
> Editor, Singapore Linux Portal, http://linux.com.sg
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