On Tue, 18 Apr 2000, Ian McKellar wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 18, 2000 at 12:22:25PM +1000, Rick Welykochy wrote:
> >
> > <rant>
> >
> > I am thoroughly frosted off with all the no-hoper web sites out
> > there that specify the MS fonts in <font> tags. Whatta mess!
>
> <font> tags?
>
> They are deprecated
> (http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/present/graphics.html#edef-FONT).
Yup. I'm aware of that. Sadly, it takes the real world
a couple of years to catch up. And a couple of years is a long
time and alot of planning AFA the web is concerned ;-)
> Real web authors use cascading style sheets, so they just go:
>
> P {
> font-family: crappymsfont, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
> font-size: 14pt;
> }
Gulp! Style sheets are broken in Netscape and will remain that
way until 6.0 stabilises. Real web authors aren't geting intended
results on many browsers out there. My own tests with CSS using
Netscape 4.5 were abyssmal and certainly did not produce the
intended effect. <font> tags do and will do for a long time.
Not that I WANT to put a bleedin' <font> tag into EVERY cell
in a 20 x 200 row table. But what alternative have I if I want
a clean look on as many platforms as possible!?
If you want more see:
ttp://style.verso.com/boxacidtest/vd/
(Netscape shits all over it!)
Also:
http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/browserkit/
(handy ref table)
And from the horse's mouth:
http://www.netscape.com/browsers/future/standards.html
(note the use of the word future in the URL)
> This is the Right Way to specify text presentation because older browsers
> (the ones most likely not to have a specific font installed) will simply use
> their default font (ie: the one the user selects) and newer browsers will
> use the first font from the list that they find, defaulting to a sans-serif
> font of the browser's choosing.
Unfortunately, one cannot really rely on such graceful degradation, if
one wants various font sizes and colours. It just don't degrade
appropriately.
I cannot role out an e-commerce site for one of my
clients that simply degrades to crappy old black on white size=+0
undecorated fonts on many browsers out there because I'm a purist <sigh>
> CSS makes a web author's life liveable and their pages readable.
You wish! (So do I)
> PS: I often use the choice of `MS Comic Sans' in web sites as a way of
> filtering out crap web sites.
How's that? You code this in? Or filter out crap web sites
this way? (the latter I presume!)
cheers
rickw
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