Ok, sorry for offending just about everyone on the list. (subtle pop as I remove both feet from mouth). All I meant to say is that is serves us no good to continue complaining to each other about getting ordered to buy Microsoft products when we know that there are often much better alternatives out there. Communication is a two way street (mostly) and PHB's speak a different language to Engineers. They just don't understand the fact that we have man-years of hands on experience with these machines. We just don't explain this well enough to them and give them a feeling of trust in our decisions. More often that not, IT departments get so caught up in their own affairs that they forget to present their opinions in a comprehensible format to the PHB's of the world. I'm going to shut up now. John Wiltshire -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
