On Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 03:52:07PM +1000, John Wiltshire ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:46:06 +1000 (EST), Rachel Polanskis
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]
> Programmers and sysadmins are actually slightly different beasts, but not
> that much. Programmers put code together to fill users needs while
> sysadmins put blocks of programmer's code together to fill users needs.
> Note the common theme here is that we exist to fill the user's needs.
ROTFL!
Do you *really* think that users need all that bloatware?
I have yet to find a users who really knows what <s>he needs. They dont even know
whats around or what computers are capable off:
I go around every now and then to ask users what they are doing, how they are
doing it and what is repetetive. I have written scripts to help users
to get around a lot of tasks and they looked at me with the biggest
surprise in the face saying "what that is possible????".
Fact is, that users DONT know what they need (because they dont know whats possible).
Fact is, that programmers overload applications with crap people NEVER use.
Fact is, that programmers make decision what users need.
Fact is, that programmers write code because the company which employs them wants
to make money to sell new and more enhanced software.
Fact is, that most users do not know what VBS stands for, what is is CAPABLE off
(in the bad way), what it is capable off (in the good way) but yet
it is part of outlook (why??? you give a person who sends you mail
the ability to destroy the system and users dont even know how!).
(you dont give a foreigner a key to your place AND walk away???)
And with respect to Sysadmins?
I think they role currently ONLY is to make software running on systems .....
With the Visual Basic Microsoft gave "programmers" the ability to write "stuff"
without knowledge what *REALLY* goes on. I see (especially from our suppliers)
so much crap. These "progamms" are written by people who himself have got
much of a clue. They write stuff which is for people (users) who dont have a clue
themselves. Who fixes this?
You guessed it. The sysadmin (if <s>he is capable of doing so).
> If a user sees a product like Exchange or Notes and says they need it then
If a user sees the specs for Exchange they would know what it means.
[snip]
> Otherwise you end up, like in so many IT depts having to deal with clueless
> admins who make decisions on products or systems based on how scriptable the
> admin interface is instead of focusing on solving the actual and perceived
> needs of the users.
Yep. Very True.
> [This isn't advocating NT, Linux or AmigaOS on a 68k emulators running in
> WABI on Solaris. This is how I've seen rampant IT departments destroy user
> confidence and lead to the failure of large projects and systems]
This is VERY funny.
Although I dont need to agree with them, I like your arguments.
And you are STILL the only NT admin *I* know off who likes NT. ;-)
Jobst
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