I'm looking for a video capture card of a certain physical layout as I would prefer not to have to mutilate the computer case(s). The problem I have in both my current cards is that the foot of the card is too long/low for the backing slot. The cards I have both have a lug at the bottom that is as low as the PCI slot lug. If anyone knows of a card where the lowest part of the card is just the pci slot lug, then I'd like to know of the brand and where you purchased it from, please. I'm hoping to find a nice use for some old 486 HW that has a PCI slot. Yes, it is running Linux (Stormlinux (thanks Ken) actually - the first debian install I've ever gotten to work). -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: http://www.woa.com.au WOA Computer Services <lan/wan, linux/unix, novell> "People without trees are like fish without clean water" -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug