Sevak I'm interested! You're on the right track. Although training is 
essential, I for one being in Hawaii, attending WISPCON is not a high 
priority...however bringing costs down and increasing customer base to 
support expansion is. I'd be interested in helping to put together a 
draft "roaming agreement".

Laurence
Waipahu.Net Wireless Broadband

> 
> 
> Michael,
> 
> One thing that I think some of us would like from a WISP alliance 
would
> be to knock down some of our costs, whether on equipment or leasing
> broadband lines.  Can part-15 offer something like that?
> 
> Also, another nice thing would be to have "roaming" agreements 
between
> WISPs so that a WISP customer in Dallas for example could come to my
> area in NYC and get coverage during his/her stay.  I would imagine 
such
> a feature would be a surcharge for the service paid by the customer. 
> How about figuring out a plan for that which is fair and simple for 
all
> involved?
> 
> Lastly, as Earl mentioned, (I'm paraphrasing and filling in spaces -
> sorry Earl if I just butchered your meaning!) it would be nice for an
> alliance to bring in some money for its collective members from the
> government to actually help us out in installations, etc.
> 
> That's the kind of things I was thinking of regarding an alliance.  
If
> part-15 can do this, well then that's great!  If not, I'd be willing 
to
> start one myself.  Anyone interested?
> 
> Sevak
> diDi Wireless Communities, Inc.
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, 2003-08-11 at 13:48, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > Here is an example of some of the costs AND benefits as they 
relate to
> > WISPCONs
> >  
> > EarlyBird FULL CONFERENCE registrations
> > Normal = $495
> > With a vendor discount coupon you can get in for $395
> > With a vendor discount coupon and P15 membership you get in for 
$345
> >  
> > Also, You'll get an additional $10 off your hotel room each night 
that
> > you stay at the conference hotel. (Usually 3 nights and therefore 
$30
> > savings)
> >  
> > Also, P15 members staying at the conference hotel will 
automatically
> > be entered into a drawing to win two free round trip American 
Airlines
> > plane tickets. There are some more rules on this (blackout times 
etc),
> > but this is a really cool addition to the raffles and other
> > give-aways.
> >  
> > If you've never been to a WISPCON, you are in for a rude-awakening.
> > They are very intense and usually the biggest problem for the
> > attendees is that it is like going to Disneyland and trying to do
> > everything in one day. There is just not enought time to get to 
each
> > important session that you need to. Also, you may want to ask 
around
> > regarding the type of educational benefits of the WISPCON as 
compared
> > to other conferences. I think we are the only conference that has
> > rules for the speakers. They basically say that the people are 
there
> > in the session rooms to learn technical and administrative 
information
> > so leave all the marketing stuff on the exhibit floor.
> >  
> > I highly suggest you chat with others who have been to a WISPCON. 
As a
> > WISP myself, I find the training at WISPCONs most excellent and 
you'll
> > find me sitting in many of the sessions that I too need to learn. I
> > think this is one of the better parts of WISPCON, I am a small WISP
> > too and I'm very familiar with the needs of a WISPs. I fight
> > interference on a dialy basis. I need to approach local governments
> > for tower necessities, I sign roof-top rentals all the time, I 
have to
> > climb towers so my safety and the safety of my other climbers is 
very
> > important to me. I would like to expand farther into my rural areas
> > and could also use some of that RUS funding. I'm right there in the
> > trenches with the rest of you.
> >  
> > I don't believe anyone has ever said that they didn't get their
> > money's worth out of a WISPCON.
> >  
> > Michael
> > 
> >         ----- Original Message ----- 
> >         From: Scott Damron
> >         To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >         Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 12:26 PM
> >         Subject: RE: [smartBridges] GRANT
> >         
> >         I understand.  Sounds pretty good when you look at it that
> >         way.  What does the WISPCON cost to attend the full thing?
> >          
> >         Scott
> >         
> >                 -----Original Message-----
> >                 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >                 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf 
Of
> >                 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >                 Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 10:17 AM
> >                 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >                 Subject: Re: [smartBridges] GRANT
> >                 
> >                 
> >                 $495 is for Affiliates. Affiliates were designed 
for
> >                 WISPs where 5 or more employees can all take 
advantage
> >                 instead of paying $195 each.
> >                  
> >                 So if you have 7 employees who could all benefit 
from
> >                 membership isn't that a reasonable price? $1365 for
> >                 individual memberships of these 7 employees or $495
> >                 for all of them.
> >                  
> >                 Michael
> >                  
> >                  
> >                 
> >                         ----- Original Message ----- 
> >                         From: Scott Damron
> >                         To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >                         Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 11:33 AM
> >                         Subject: RE: [smartBridges] GRANT
> >                         
> >                         No, I am saying that $495.00 is Too much.  
To
> >                         me anyway.  I have not seen the programs 
you
> >                         offer, so I would not be inclined to pay 
the
> >                         fee.  However, If I had the time to look 
over
> >                         what you offer, I might sign up as an
> >                         individual.
> >                          
> >                         Scott
> >                         
> >                                 -----Original Message-----
> >                                 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
15.org
> >                                 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
15.org] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >                                 Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 8:59 
AM
> >                                 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >                                 Subject: Re: [smartBridges] GRANT
> >                                 
> >                                 
> >                                 Are you saying that the $195 for
> >                                 annual membership (which you'll get
> >                                 back most of that by the discounts 
at
> >                                 WISPCONs and other training), is 
too
> >                                 high?
> >                                  
> >                                 Michael
> >                                  
> >                                  
> >                                  
> >                                 
> >                                         ----- Original Message ----
- 
> >                                         From: Scott Damron
> >                                         To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
15.org
> >                                         Sent: Monday, August 11, 
2003
> >                                         10:36 AM
> >                                         Subject: RE: [smartBridges]
> >                                         GRANT
> >                                         
> >                                         If so, then why are your
> >                                         memberships so darn
> >                                         expensive?!?
> >                                          
> >                                         Scott
> >                                         
> >                                                 -----Original
> >                                                 Message-----
> >                                                 From:
> >                                                 smartBridges-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >                                                 Sent: Monday, 
August
> >                                                 11, 2003 6:20 AM
> >                                                 To:
> >                                                 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
15.org
> >                                                 Subject: Re:
> >                                                 [smartBridges] 
GRANT
> >                                                 
> >                                                 
> >                                                 The small guy is
> >                                                 "exactly" what
> >                                                 PART-15.ORG is all
> >                                                 about. See previous
> >                                                 email
> >                                                  
> >                                                 Michael
> >                                                  
> >                                                  
> >                                                 
> >                                                         ----- 
Original
> >                                                         Message ---
-- 
> >                                                         From: Scott
> >                                                         Damron
> >                                                         To:
> >                                                         
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >                                                         Sent: 
Friday,
> >                                                         August 08,
> >                                                         2003 3:11 
PM
> >                                                         Subject: 
RE:
> >                                                         
[smartBridges]
> >                                                         GRANT
> >                                                         
> >                                                         I am sure 
for
> >                                                         it!!!  We
> >                                                         serve some
> >                                                         really 
small
> >                                                         
communities,
> >                                                         and would 
love
> >                                                         to form an
> >                                                         alliance, I
> >                                                         would like 
to
> >                                                         see it
> >                                                         targeted 
more
> >                                                         toward the
> >                                                         small guys.
> >                                                          
> >                                                         Scott
> >                                                         
> >                                                                 ---
--Original Message-----
> >                                                                 
From:
> >                                                                 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Earl Campbell
> >                                                                 
Sent:
> >                                                                 
Friday, July 18, 2003 1:10 PM
> >                                                                 To:
> >                                                                 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >                                                                 
Subject: RE: [smartBridges] GRANT
> >                                                                 
> >                                                                 
> >                                                                 I
> >                                                                 
wonder
> >                                                                 if 
we
> >                                                                 all
> >                                                                 got
> >                                                                 
together and formed an aliance of wisp's if Washington wouldn't pay 
more attn to us ?
> >                                                                 
Earl
> >                                                                 
UpHi.net
> >                                                                  
> >                                                                 
> >                                                                 
> >                                                                 
> >                                                                 
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