Oleb,

all I see here is RS-232 to ethernet converters?? no switches unless I am 
missing them? Do you haev a model # that you use I will keep looking..

Thanks

Martin

Quoting Ole Bj�rklund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> 
> Hi1
> 
> We are using the industrial switches from Advantech in our enclosures
> and have
> never had problems with connecting the SB stuff to those switches?
> 
> Small, runs on 10 - 30 VDC, auto MDI/MDX and handles -10 - +70 deg.
> celsius
> http://www.advantech.com/products/Model_Detail.asp?model_id=1-D6FQZ&bu=
> 
> Oleb
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Blazen Wireless [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: 27. september 2003 01:40
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Slow down problems
> 
> 
> 
> thats great to hear but what type of switches are you using that allow
> you to configure them? We seem to be at a crossroads as to finding an
> inexpensive switch that is small to fit in a nema type enclosure..
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "S�mundur Johannsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 4:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Slow down problems
> 
> 
> Hi we had same problem with our costumers few weeks back, We had advice
> from SB in the past to have all switches on the wireless network on
> Auto. But when we put the switches to 10 half we have much faster
> internet connection to our costumers and no problems,,,,,
> 
> S�mundur J
> 
> 
> 
> > Well to be quite honest I don't have speed problems its more of 
> > capacity problems at the tower from what I can tell. Its the APPO's 
> > that cant handle the traffic maybe because my Dlink switch up there 
> > cant handle it I don't know. All I know is when I had the AP-100 up 
> > there I just plugged my Cat 5 from my BH into the AP-1000 and I was 
> > done no switch to dick with.
> >
> > How hard would it be to make a 100Mb LAN on the APPO's only I don't 
> > know but I cant keep messing with crap any longer at the expense of my
> 
> > customers. I had something that worked good and was told these APPO's 
> > would be better I had my doubts and should have listened to my gut!
> >
> > I mean why make something with an Ethernet connection with it so slow 
> > isn't standard at least now 100mB or gigabit speeds possible more 
> > expense in the chip to upgrade?. The canopy has 100mb, I believe 
> > trango does and so does the AP-1000 why bottleneck your system 
> > especially at the AP?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Kevin Summers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 4:01 PM
> > Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Slow down problems
> >
> >
> >
> > I sympathize. I just did the same thing. Replaced the ABO
> > at the client site with another brand of client bridge and all the 
> > problems went away and the throughput doubled.
> >
> > It turned out to be the fact that the Ethernet on the SB radios is 
> > Half Duplex, which I can't seem to find anything that doesn't cost 
> > $275 or more that supports that setting. Even the so called "managed" 
> > switches that I paid $88 each for say in their manual that they don't 
> > support 10Mbit Half Duplex. THAT is where I think the slowdown, and 
> > the problems are coming from.
> >
> > The radio that I replaced the ABO with has an Ethernet jack that is 
> > 100Mbit Full Duplex. I just think the wireless card in the radio is 
> > capable of switching from send to receive and back faster than the 
> > Ethernet chipset that SB is using.
> >
> > Kevin Summers
> > KISTech Internet Services Inc.
> > www.kistech.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Blazen Wireless
> >> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 3:47 PM
> >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Slow down problems
> >>
> >>
> >> Well I have made up my mind I am going to buy an AP-1000 and throw it
> 
> >> back up on the tower which means I will have to get two more 
> >> Ap-1000's to replace
> >> at my other remote wipops that feed off the main APPO's! and swap 3
> >> APPO's
> >> at customers homes to an ABO or ABI since they wont pass traffic
> unless
> >> associated to another appo!
> >>
> >> Money I dont have but I cant take this anymore I really feel its the 
> >> radios but not opposed to any other suggestions on what it could be?
> >>
> >> I am tired of trouble shooting left and right everytime I get 5-6 
> >> customers online at once..
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Brendan O'Bra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 3:20 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Slow down problems
> >>
> >>
> >> Stupid question, but...
> >>
> >> Have you tried taking the demarctech box out of the loop?
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Blazen Wireless" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 3:12 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Slow down problems
> >>
> >>
> >> > I am using the bandwidth controller software from 
> >> > www.demarctech.com
> >> >
> >> > Isn't setting RTS to one going to shut down the customer??
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Kevin Summers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 3:10 PM
> >> > Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Slow down problems
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Also, how are you throttling bandwidth per customer?
> >> >
> >> > Kevin Summers
> >> > KISTech Internet Services Inc.
> >> > www.kistech.com
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> >> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Blazen 
> >> > > Wireless
> >> > > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 3:01 PM
> >> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Slow down problems
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > I also forgot to mention I throttled the one big user down to
> >> 100kbps
> >> and
> >> > > same think its like it has a hold on the APPO at 11 megs  (5.5) 
> >> > > and wont let anything else talk to it??
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > From: "Blazen Wireless" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 2:59 PM
> >> > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Slow down problems
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Okay this slow down is really killing me I have all users turned 
> >> > > off
> >> that
> >> > > appear to be sending any kind of arp but this was not what was
> >> causing
> >> the
> >> > > slowdowns. I have two users on right now one downloading at 
> >> > > 700kbps and the other one my slow customer just trying to surf 
> >> > > and cant due it due
> >> to
> >> ping
> >> > > rates we beyond out of control 300-400 and packet loss.
> >> > >
> >> > > I turn off the one customer who is downloading and the
> >> problem resolves.
> >> I
> >> > > called the customer downloading and they are doing Microsoft
> >> patches on
> >> > > their machines right now so its not a virus. What gives why can 
> >> > > one
> >> person
> >> > > not taking up the full bandwidth screw the whole system I
> >> mean every one
> >> > > else is at a dead stand still??
> >> > >
> >> > > To me this is a problem in the radio APPO not being able to
> >> talk to two
> >> > > radios at the same time at two different speeds this thing is
> >> totally
> >> just
> >> > > sh**ing all over itself?
> >> > >
> >> > > Anyone else see this happen I had the APPO set to 1 meg only 2 
> >> > > meg
> >> and
> >> 5.5
> >> > > and also 11 but nothing seems to help! I have RTS set to 800 on 
> >> > > the clients and that made no difference I give up this customer 
> >> > > wants me to come
> >> pull
> >> > > the equipment..
> >> > >
> >> > > Any ideas?
> >> > > HELP!
> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > From: "Mark Radabaugh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 6:02 PM
> >> > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Slow down problems
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > This can get tricky.  You need to be on a port that sees all of 
> >> > > the traffic - read that as 'not a switch port'.  By definition a
> >> switch will
> >> > > only show you packets destined for your computer.
> >> > >
> >> > > If you really want to see what going on you need a hub or a 
> >> > > managed
> >> switch
> >> > > that can replicate all traffic onto a port.
> >> > >
> >> > > Another option is to use a wireless card in promiscious mode - a 
> >> > > mode where
> >> > > you see all of the traffic.   Ethereal will do this with (I
> >> think) most
> >> > > common wireless cards.
> >> > >
> >> > > Mark Radabaugh
> >> > > Amplex
> >> > > (419) 720-3635
> >> > >
> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > From: "Pascal Losier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 5:41 PM
> >> > > Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Slow down problems
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Just a small question,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > When running ethereal, Do you run it directly on the router
> >> > > > (ex.Mikrotik) or on any system connected to the router.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Also does it matter if the system running ethereal is log via
> >> PPPOE
> >> ????
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> >> > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blazen
> >> Wireless
> >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 6:12 PM
> >> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Slow down problems
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > HAHA well then my router has the virus I get like over 2000 arp
> >> request
> >> > > > from the router in less then 20 min which I think is way out of
> >> control
> >> > > > it always is asking who has what IP etc. I was told this is
> >> normal in
> >> > > > order for the router to know what IP has what mac etc..
> >> > > >
> >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > > From: "Scott Damron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 12:15 PM
> >> > > > Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Slow down problems
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > A WHOLE bunch of arp requests.  If you run ethereal, you would 
> >> > > > see upwards of 30 or 40% ARP requests.  Some of the viruses 
> >> > > > cause ARP storms.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Scott
> >> > > >
> >> > > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> >> > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blazen
> >> Wireless
> >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 12:09 PM
> >> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Slow down problems
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > What do you mean check arp I know how to check it but what am I
> >> looking
> >> > > > for??
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > > From: "Scott Damron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:37 AM
> >> > > > Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Slow down problems
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Check ARP.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Scott
> >> > > >
> >> > > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> >> > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blazen
> >> Wireless
> >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:17 AM
> >> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Slow down problems
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I have done that already and there is no ICMP other then me
> >> pinging
> >> the
> >> > > > radios It doesn't happen when there is no one online it only
> >> happens
> >> > > > when a few close users get on and start to surf and then
> >> the far users
> >> > > > have a hard time with dropped packets and slow speeds and
> >> high pings.
> >> I
> >> > > > just thing I need to open up another AP closer to them and keep
> 
> >> > > > my distance down to under 5 miles. The one person having the
> >> hardest time
> >> > > > is about 5.6 miles which is closer then my 7.2 mile customer 
> >> > > > who
> >> is
> >> > > > doing great and pointed at the same radio APPO. It might
> >> just be this
> >> > > > person is in a bad area with more interference is what I am
> >> thinking
> >> and
> >> > > > I also may need to raise her ant a smidge..
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:47 AM
> >> > > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Slow down problems
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Every time I've experienced interference (numerous times), it
> >> hasn't
> >> > > > affected ping times.  From what I've seen, it usually causes 
> >> > > > lost packets, but not high latency.  I don't know if anyone has
> >> mentioned
> >> > > > this before (I jumped in in the middle of this thread), but 
> >> > > > what
> >> you're
> >> > > > describing sounds exactly like something I experienced a few 
> >> > > > weeks
> >> ago.
> >> > > > I had about six users with the Welchia virus, and they were
> >> causing
> >> high
> >> > > > latency all over the network.  If you haven't done it already, 
> >> > > > put
> >> a
> >> > > > packet sniffer on the network, and see if you're seeing a
> >> lot of icmp
> >> > > > echo traffic.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Craig
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Quoting Blazen Wireless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > Well maybe this is not the problem now I am back to the
> >> same issues
> >> > > > > pings up to over 100ms and it seems now more with radios
> >> that never
> >> > > > > had problems before I am thinking more of interference
> >> now? How many
> >> > > > > of you have seen a drastic increase in SOHO wireless
> >> routers popping
> >> > > > > up on your site survey tab when setting up a customer, I s**t
> >> you
> >> not
> >> > > > > one the other day had 11
> >> > > > that
> >> > > > > all
> >> > > > > said linksys or the default ssid for dlink stuff. Are those
> >> > > > manufacturers
> >> > > > > within spec it seems more and more are popping up and some 
> >> > > > > with
> >> better
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > signal then my tower according to the site survey numbers
> >> in the ABO
> >> > > > /ABI
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > > > From: "Scott Damron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 9:07 AM
> >> > > > > Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Slow down problems
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Actually, it does not really drop everyone down to 1meg, it 
> >> > > > > just
> >> _MAY_
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > slow down the 11meg folks in order to respond to the 1meg
> >> person.
> >> Hope
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > that makes sense.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Scott
> >> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> >> > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of The
> >> Wirefree
> >> > > > > Network
> >> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 9:08 AM
> >> > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > > > > Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Slow down problems
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Huh!??!?  This seems bass ackwards.  If one client associates
> 
> >> > > > > at
> >> 1
> >> > > > > Meg, it drops everyone down to that speed.  Not the other way
> >> around.
> >> > > > > Weakest link theory.  If a client can not associate at 11 Meg
> >> and
> >> > > > > steps it's way down to 1 Meg, then it CAN NOT be forced to
> >> connect
> >> at
> >> > > > > 11 Meg. However, a client who is close in with 100% RSSI, 
> >> > > > > could
> >> be
> >> > > > > stepped down to 1 Meg based on some far out client.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Sully
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> >> > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> >> Blazen Wireless
> >> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 11:56 PM
> >> > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > > > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Slow down problems
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > I have throttling in place now thats not the issue. The
> >> issue is in
> >> my
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > opinion and theory is at what rate the radios associate
> >> at.. If they
> >> > > > > are only associating at 1 meg or less then yes you will have 
> >> > > > > throughput problems, if I have all my close customers able to
> 
> >> > > > > associate at 11 megs
> >> > > > > (5.5) and my furthest customers only at 1 meg ( 500kbps) then
> >> the
> >> > > > > further users are not going to be able to associate at 1 meg 
> >> > > > > but
> >> will
> >> > > > be
> >> > > > > forced to associate at 11 megs and since that is not a stable
> >> link
> >> > > > they
> >> > > > > will suffer as I kind of proved tonight but cant be 100%
> >> sure unless
> >> I
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > could verify what speed the users radios are associating at 
> >> > > > > to
> >> the
> >> AP.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > In theory the AP cant be associated to 3 to 4 radios all at
> >> different
> >> > > > > speeds. They will be associated at the speed of the
> >> slowest radio or
> >> > > > the
> >> > > > > fastest depending on what radio has the best link I think?
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > > > From: Vasu (sB Tech Team)
> >> > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 11:27 PM
> >> > > > > Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Slow down problems
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > That's the basics of 802.11 std, when one user hogs the 
> >> > > > > entire bandwidth the remaining users have to share the 
> >> > > > > bandwidth, hence bandwidth throttling is important to ensure 
> >> > > > > good and
> >> stable links to
> >> > > > > all users, I think the XO series access point should solve 
> >> > > > > your problem which can provide dedicated bandwidth to every 
> >> > > > > user.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Vasu
> >> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> >> > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> >> Blazen Wireless
> >> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 2:02 PM
> >> > > > > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> >> > > > > Subject: [smartBridges] Slow down problems
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Okay I think I have figured out the problem with my
> >> system. It seems
> >> > > > > that when users are one (close users) they are associated to 
> >> > > > > the
> >> APPO
> >> > > > > at 5.5 to 11 megs possibly and the users that are further 
> >> > > > > away
> >> are
> >> at
> >> > > > > 1 meg max well if you have the near users at 11 megs tying up
> >> the
> >> > > > > radio and the far uses cant connect at a slower speed for a
> >> better
> >> > > > > link / speed quality then the far users suffer? am I correct 
> >> > > > > in
> >> my
> >> > > > > theory does that make any sense?
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > So going forward we are going to have to plan some more
> >> sites closer
> >> > > > > to the users having issues etc Has anyone else experienced 
> >> > > > > this.
> >> I
> >> > > > > cant verify 100% that this is true due to the fact the
> >> radios don't
> >> > > > > report what speed they are associated at? Can someone
> >> think of a way
> >> > > > > to validate this theory??
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Thanks
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Martin & Steve
> >> > > > > Blazen Wireless
> >> > > > > www.blazenwireless.com
> >> > > > >
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