96% of American's celebrate Christmas...why should the rest of us change our traditions to accommodate 5% who do something different?
 
Incidentally, what your friend doesn't get is that there is no separation of church and state in the constitution.  It is simply not there.  What the constitution does say is that congress cannot tell you what you have to worship.  They cannot compel you to join a state church.
 
If Christmas celebrations and religious mention in the public square were so offensive to the founders of the constitution why didn't they put a stop to it when they were alive?  Because what they did do was actively participate in religious _expression_ in public, in government, and in legislation.
 
Charles Mims
 
 


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bethany
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:34 PM
To: Sand2; Sand
Subject: [Sndbox] More Liberals in the making

This was posted by a girl on my debate group.
 
 
I see that y'all have been discussing the religion issue for quite a while now. (sorry I haven't participated)  I've read some of it, though not all because I've been busy. 
 
Anyway, the past couple weeks have really been an eye opener for me in my own surroundings.  Two of my kids are preparing for programs at their school for Christmas.  They are also doing artwork that is for Christmas.  The songs they are singing and the artwork they are doing are both in class so they are being graded on it.  I asked them what exactly they are doing.  Well, the songs they are singing are all Christian based songs.  As in, not Jingle Bells and We Wish You a Merry Christmas...but rather "What Child Is This" and "Silent Night", just to name a couple.  So, I felt compelled to have a discussion with my kids about the different religions, and maybe how what's going on in the school could be hurting some of their friend's feelings because they aren't all Christians.  I was very impressed with their responses, and the sympathy they showed.  My daughter told me that she is going to talk to her teachers today about adding something for Chanukah and Kwanzaa, like they've done at other schools my kids have attended.  She, herself, doesn't want to miss out on the whole program and doing the crafts, but feels badly for those who are being made to participate when they don't even celebrate.  Afterall, at Halloween, I take my own kids out of school for the day because we don't celebrate when the rest of the school does. 
 
I told them about the legal end, about how the teachers aren't even supposed to be teaching about any religious beliefs at all.  That's when my oldest piped in and said that was stupid!  LOL  But, I told him to put himself in someone else's place.  Imagine that he wasn't Christian, but rather Buddhist, Jewish, or even Atheist.  And how would he feel if his teachers were teaching the class only about Christian traditions?  I told him that it doesn't prevent him from still praying, if he wishes, during class.  But, his teachers cannot lead the class in those prayers.  The whole thing is a respect issue, we must respect other's beliefs, as well as our own.  It doesn't mean that we have to practice as they do, just respect them.  And, since there are so many different beliefs in our culture, it's just easier to leave it out of public schools. 
 
Oh, btw....my oldest also informed me that they still say the pledge of allegiance, complete with "under God" every morning at his school. 
 
This has all become somewhat confusing for me.  But, I'm doing the best I can as far as studying what I can get my hands on. (thank you Amber) I know that God will guide me and my family in the direction He wants us to go!
^**^Bethany^**^
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"Keep American out of the liberal toilet.
Vote Bush-Cheney in 2004"
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