OK gang, Don't know if it was an insult, sorry Sal, but I got MISTAKEN for Sal, of NSP, while I was at Visalia. Just to let you know, I am more handsome, have a less grey beard, and I am quite a bit taller. I do make the Micro HLGs, so I can see how some would get confused! I have also been in soaring for 31 years, have a Level 5, and know how to crash better! See ya, Chris Adams http://www.scrollsander.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]