I guess a small clarification would be appropriate here. The airspeed
indicator doesn't show how fast your are going - it only shows something
called indicated airspeed. The indicated airspeed (IAS) varies with
altitude, barometric pressure, and temperature. Other factors, such as angle
of attack, have a lesser effect on the IAS. I have noticed differences of
over 10% between indicated airspeed and true airspeed in single engine
aircraft operating at or below 12,500 feet.

Aircraft that fly at higher altitudes keep track of two relative speeds -
indicated airspeed and mach - their speed as a fraction of the speed of
sound. At higher altitudes the speed of sound can be reached at indicated
airspeeds much lower than at sea level. These aircraft have two "redline"
airspeeds - the red line on the airspeed indicator and a maximum mach
operating (MMO) speed. Stall speed will remain constant on the airspeed
indicator. The Cessna 150 I learned to fly in would stall at about 47 kts
indicated airspeed regardless of how fast I am actually going.

The last speed of relevance is ground speed - the speed of the aircraft over
the ground. This is generally the aircraft's true airspeed plus or minus any
movement of the air mass the plane is flying in. In the Cessna 150 I flew I
recorded ground speeds of 50 to 170 knots at different times when doing a
cross country flight, even though my indicated airspeed was constant at
about 90 knots.

The U2 operates at altitudes high enough to have as little as a 10 knot IAS
difference between stall speed and MMO speed. Because of the thin atmosphere
at these altitudes there isn't much going into the airspeed indicator's
pitot tube so, although the plane has a very high true airspeed, it has a
very low indicated airspeed. If we assume an indicated airspeed of 120 kts,
a density altitude of 70,000 feet and a temperature of -50C, the true
airspeed would be about 504 kts.  This hopefully explains the difference
between the U2's ridiculously low (indicated) airspeed and ridiculously high
groundspeed.

Brian

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Memory tells me that at operational altitude (way beyond 'speck') the U2
fly's in a sort of a coffin: a few miles per hour IAS slower, it stalls;
but a few miles per hour faster and it comes apart. I also remember that
airspeed was ridiculously low and groundspeed was ridiculously high up
there.

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