Ben Yahr was looking for information on canards. Doug Joyce spent many years successfully developing and flying canard F1C (FAI International Free flight class) models, (I think even making the US world champs team). I believe at least some of his developments were recorded in National Free Flight Society published symposia papers. The listing of symposia papers is at the NFFS web site at http://www.freeflight.org/ -- John O'Sullivan Nova Scotia Wind and Wave Models http://members.xoom.com/WindandWave/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]