Big Snip > We flew with a former U control expert, Harry Roe. When he saw us cranking up some D.S. angled loops, he observed that they used to do a similar type of sustained flight with U contro stunt planes in high winds after the enginge ran out of fuel! Has anyone else heard of that? > Paul Siegel Hi Paul Have spent hours doing just that, mainly flew combat models, you need something light and clean so this rules out racing and speed models(high wing loading). Several in a circle at once is a giggle and then we used to attach streamers and fly "combat" but without the motors running. With a smaller model a good launch and some serious whipping the motor is never started. You can build up speed doing basically lazy eights (low into wind half loop higher downwind half bunt etc etc) and do aerobatics as well with the energy, the more wind the better!!!!!!!!!!! Peter Williams New Zealand RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]