Actually, I think, given the AG airfoils, optimum aspect ratio is probably a function of your vision. Given very good vision and very good skill with composites, optimum aspect ratio is probably upwards of 12, as in the original Agea 2M. More realistically, maybe a bit over 11. Wing loading shouldn't be an issue, given enough building skill, as 21 oz. can be acheived. Maybe 25 oz. for all the other really good builders besides Mark. You can add ballast on windy days. Carbon tailbooms and some of the other more sophisticated building tricks keep the weight down.

Most of those old airfoils are now obsolete, aren't they? (I saw a new foil, a thicker one, on the yahoo xfoil group, which behaves just like a thinner AG, though)

In local contests, I end up competing against Mark. One of these days I want to see what happens if I have a glider almost as good as his is.

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Beause of it's size, a 2M is not going to be able to roam as far or as high as an open class ship - it's simply harder to see at distance. So, like DLG, it's going to be more of a close-in ship. Consequently, it probably should tend to better minimum sink and max L/D rather than having great 'legs' for roaming all over the sky. This tends to drive the design towards lower aspect ratios. Due to the span limit, a high aspect ratio 2M may start to run into Re problems.

Carrying more wing area will allow a lower wing loading with modest attention to building techniques. This should also help with the launch as more area would help to carry the tow weight better.

The airfoils often used for 2M are not particularly well optimized for this class. If you run X-Foil snip

So a couple of suggestions;
- Look to lower aspect ratio designs. An evaluation discussed in RCSD a few years back suggests the 8 to 11 range is about right.snip - Sort through the Drela sections, many of them are much better in the intermediate speed range than any of the sections commonly used for 2M,
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- Work a bit on keeping the weight in the 30oz range. A ballast box is great for the windy days but it's tough to add lightness.

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- Dave R

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