The size and weight of the electrics flying at 60 acres south has been growing 
steadily.  I have seen 5+ lb electrics flying there in the past month.  The 
Heli's are also getting larger.  I have seen several 600 size heli's flying at 
60 acres.  Its only a matter of time before a  28 lb 30% Extra with the new 4 
hacker motor setup shows up to fly.  Even a 5 oz electirc shock flyer can do 
damage to a little kid just walking thru the parking lot (remember the prop is 
spinning at 4,000 rpms).  Safety is utmost and no matter what you fly (yes even 
if it has no motor) SAFETY COMES FIRST.  If you want to fly as I see you flying 
go to a private place, be it a soccer field or some other open space.  When in 
a public park with public people walking around its a no brainer SAFETY COMES 
FIRST.



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From: _Mikey_ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> Thanks for explaining, Sherman. :)
> 
> I had typed up a pretty nasty flame, but then I cut it and didn't send
> it. 
> 
> My point to posting was to let you know what kind of reaction you
> caused with the electric guys.
> 
> There's a couple things that are immutable about Sunday.
> 
> 1: The regularity of the crowd that you were confronting. These guys
> (including the guy who told you not to take a picture of him) are all
> there pretty much whenever they can be. I've known them for months. Some
> for years. They show up down there more often than I do. They are
> "regulars" at the field. But nobody's disputing the fact that the glider
> guys were there first. And yes, we're there because of you. Obligatory
> humility. I know the history. I signed the petitions in 2004 & 2007. 
> 
> These guys all fly 12-24oz birds made mostly of styrofoam and perhaps a
> little balsa, with a few exceptions. The 4oz battery is the heaviest
> part. For the most part, talking about safety with that size of
> airplane, is like talking about safety with a 16oz frisbee, or a 24oz
> football. Plastic props break before they break skin, unless you *hold*
> your finger there like I did. :) 
> 
> Safety when you are talking about pounds and feet and gas, is a totally
> different story, and that is why the AMA safety rules were created. To
> keep people from getting injured by heavy birds.
> 
> Park fliers think it is ridiculous to be subjected to safety rules
> which were written for a 5 plus pound bird. This is why your safety
> argument was met with such hostility by the majority of fliers.
> 
> 2: The reaction of the crowd that you were confronting. Without
> exception, each and every single person that was there, either left to
> go to the other side of the road, or was upset with you and poked fun of
> you after you left. That reaction, inherently, over so many people,
> regardless of "electric or glider", speaks for itself.
> 
> Taking pictures of activity at the park, with these guys' knowledge of
> your political agenda and Who You Are, "General Sherman", right after
> getting on them about flying over the parking lot, would certainly be
> interpreted as an invasion of privacy, and you don't even have to be
> paranoid.
> 
> On sunny days, two or three people a day stop by and ask questions of
> me while I am flying, and I am very friendly to them. My friend from
> work was there on Sunday, he was actually interested in the gliders,
> till you came over. He *was* completely and totally unbiased. Way to
> teach 'em! :) 
> 
> My point was, and remains, that as long as you cause this kind of
> reaction in people, generically, whether soliciting their help or not
> (and are you soliciting my help as an "electric guy"? Or not, cause I
> sure am not a lawyer!), you will not succeed in your goal. That's the
> truth, no matter whose help you are soliciting.
> 
> I'm trying to help you out and get you to chill out a little bit and
> perhaps change your attitude towards people you interact with.
> Interpersonal skill burnishing, call it. Perhaps these pointers into the
> "electric guys" behavior might be of help to you in figuring out why,
> when you speak at the council, you get results that you aren't
> expecting.
> 
> Good luck. I know a lot is riding on this for you.
> 
> 
> -- 
> _Mikey_
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