I recently purchased a winch kit from Tim McCann at www.alltel.net/~tmccann and I am very happy with it. You can view the final version of the winch at http://www.cadvision.com/mansonhw/soaring.html . Everything fits together properly and you hunt down the best local deals for the starter and auto parts. No, I don't have any commercial interest in the products mentioned. Warren Man-Son-Hing Begin forwarded message: Does any body out there have a good used winch thet want to sell? Or is there any one who sells plans or a kit for a winch? Doug Adams in Grand Rapids Mi RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]