I took a look at all the stuff, and I don't have any of the nuts and bolts that you would get at the hardware store (about $10 worth) so I'll drop the price to $400 delivered to Pasadena. The Winch Doctor has been cleaning out the garage again, and has found a few (all new) parts to get someone started on a really nice winch. It is based on the 2 Meter World Cup Winch from MB magazine a few years ago, and includes: professional powdercoated frame, outrigger ballbearing support, motor mounting plate, CNC machined "Savage Drums" winch drum anodized BLOOD RED. Also includes a set of "Real Balls" This is not the new Winch Doctor Winch, but a really good design, and I've built quite a few over the years. $450 I can bring it to the Pasadena 2-day contest. You can also see the new Winch Doctor Winch there as well. Doc RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]