Thanks and well put!
Eric Farmer wrote:
> Bob,
>
> A few comments on your small publication of the Dominator:
>
> >>With a somewhat archaic bagged wing and tail
>
> Please... do NOT use terms like "archaic". It makes people think the
> product is sub-standard and out of date. This is it not... bagged wings are
> much more structurally advanced than most molded wings! Think about having
> to build most of your spar system into a thin skin... that's what bagged
> wing designers do. The molded guys have the ability to put a big monster
> carbon capped shear spar in the cavity of the wing. That's a little easier
> to engineer than a skin spar... wouldn't you agree?
>
> >>The other question is one of quality
>
> Again, be careful what you say. People are trying to make a living selling
> these airplanes. Give em' a break. NOTHING bagged will EVER compare with
> the beauty of molded birds (and I'm talking from a surface finish
> standpoint... asthetics are something different)
>
> >>The fuse nose cone does not fit very well, so some method to hold it on
> will be needed
>
> First off... you should ALWAYS secure your nosecore... whether it fits well
> or not. I take it you've never owned an american built fuselage? They
> don't have the thickness insert in the nosecone base to make them fit the
> inner. This comes from long ago when we didn't have enough room in
> fuselages, and were forced to make nosecones as thin as possible. I'd love
> to see you try and make an inner nosecone mold that would perfectly match
> the thickness of a wet layup part (nosecone). Good luck... The euro guys
> aren't any better... they just cheat. The American guys know that little
> touches like that don't help the flying AT ALL. They hurt it, if anything.
> All those niceties just add weight.
>
> >>I might glass the inside and install several plywood spans at the leading
> edge and trailing edge of the fuse to prevent the wing from digging in
> during a hard wing first landing.
>
> This is a basic rule of thumb for any fuselage with a plug in wing.... it's
> not just specific to the Dominator.
>
> >>The downside the spyderfoamed wing is the lack of up movement on the
> flaps. The MH32 airfoil does well when reflexed up for speed runs, this is
> not an option on the flap segment of the wing of the dominator.
>
> Dude.. is it really that hard to extend the flap downward... and sand a
> small bevel on it? Do it... the gap won't be big enuogh to hurt... it's a
> stupid toy airplane! The gaps aren't that big of a deal.
>
> In all reality... if you put gap seals on it... you'll hurt it more than
> help it. The gap seals will turbulate the wing, and when the surface is
> deflected away from the seal... it creates a gap larger than it would have
> been without the seal. Besides... do you know what is over the flap
> hingeline on the top of the wing? The seperation bubble! If there is no
> attached air going over the gap... why bother sealing it?
>
> >>There is a very nice gel coated finish on the wing skin top.
>
> Paint, actually ;-) Gelcoat would be heavy... and structurally detremental
> to the wing skins.
>
> >>The wings need to be sealed on the trailing edge and leading edge. There
> is a bit of carbon fiber fraying from the factory.
>
> They aren't bad enough to require "sealing". Just run over the LE with some
> 200grit... you're done.
>
> Keep in mind... you're building a kit... not a RTF molded bird. Yes... you
> might actually have to do some building on it!
>
> >>It's a little sloppy, and makes me nervous that I'll misalign the tail.
>
> It's fine. Don't worry. You're a perfectionist like me. Step back and
> trust the designers. The Dominator will run like stink and turn great. I
> know... I've flown many.
>
> Sal and Phil know what they're doing. Give em' a break. Be real careful
> what you say about products in such a small hobby like soaring... and on
> such a large forum like the exchange. Questions are always safer than
> statements.
>
> Thermals,
> Eric Farmer
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sal DeFrancesco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Sunday, November 12, 2000 8:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [RCSE] dominator
>
> >I have read your report. Just because a sailplane is molded doesn't make it
> a faster sailplane. I doubt if you will find the Mach
> >Dart or the Nemisis in the same racing catagory as the Dominator. The
> Dominator was designed for racing as we do it in the USA, man
> >on man. It is designed to be very efficient in the turn and capable of
> pulling a high CL. The flaps and ailerons when used correctly
> >with camber will aid in this area. The planform was computer designed to
> give the best combination, of speed, lift, and handling.
> >The MH32 was decided to be used in order to get the ability to fly in
> lighter lift with good efficiency. BTW...we do have a molded
> >Dominator with a fully curved LE. This is with flaps and ailerons and was
> designed with the same planform, idealized. We have not
> >advertised this due to the demand being already as high as the supply.
> >
> >I find it a shame that all the best racing people have left the scene in
> California. It was a good sport and is too bad that it has
> >essentially died. I know people like Tom Copp have been doing there very
> best to revive racing and wish him the rest all the best of
> >luck.
> >
> >Robert Bingham wrote:
> >
> >> I just got the NESP 60" Dominator on the workbench and took some early
> pics.
> >> Its not that impressive yet, maybe I've become a molded plane snob, sneak
> >> peak is at:
> >> http://www.gliderking.com/dominator
> >>
> >> Is there anyone out there currently flying one that can give me some
> >> do's/don'ts in the construction and trimming?
> >>
> >> Bob Bingham
> >> http://www.gliderking.com
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>
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> >--
> >Sal DeFrancesco
> >Northeast Sailplane Products
> >948 Hercules Dr. Suite 12
> >Colchester, Vt. 05446
> >802-655-7700
> >
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> >
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